The problem is that with the exception of cases where you only post your notes on private relays, where there isn't much reach by definition, there's no way to guarantee the note won't be broadcast somewhere else and stored till time immemorial

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And to be clear, I'm all for that, I'm building private communities for a reason, but the average nostr user that only uses kind 1 clients may not want that

We literally have a 98% defection rate. The average of the remainder is 1% of kind 1 client users.

They are happy with the status quo. Yes.

Most people are not influencers and don't expect to have wide reach. And everyone knows that no deletion is guaranteed (any app can be screen-shotted or have entries exported over an API, that's not a unique concern of Nostr).

They want to talk to a larger or smaller subset of users, have lively discussions, occasionally meet new people, be assured that participants can all see their notes, and have the ability to delete or expire their notes.

We know this, for a fact, even with the most-rabidly enthusiastic of the current userbase, as we are almost all also using non-Nostr communication channels, like Discord, Telegram, SimpleX, Slack, etc. so that we can have that user experience.

I agree! And that's why I'm building community tools, I was just talking about kind 1 clients