“So you can see essentially that blue America was in conflict with internet and red America, and red America was in conflict with blue America and China. You can actually make a graphic of that, right?

Red America versus China is a trade war, red America versus blue America is Trump, blue America versus red America is wokeness, blue America versus the internet is the tech lash.”

From The Peter McCormack Show: #100 - Balaji Srinivasan - The Collapse of the West, Jul 30, 2025

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