Their lands were conquered.
You don’t get to keep the land when you’ve had your arse handed to you by an invading force, that’s some eat pray love hippie bullshit which runs counter to thousands of years of human history from every corner of the globe.
I hear you, the assertion that land rights are invalid due conquest overlooks all peoples inherent right to self determination. Your position perpetuates a misconception that has been used to justify colonisation throughout history. Dismissing the consequences of dispossession is a choice to perpetuate discrimination and and for systemic racism.
I’m not justifying colonisation but rather acknowledging reality.
People have been dispossessed of lands for Millenia, only in the last few decades and only in the West has a small portion of society (always leftists) decided that they’re going to guilt trip everyone over this and demand recompense for these historical injustices.
They can never say where the lines should be drawn though, they’re always completely arbitrary and ideologically driven.
And of course they never take into account the consequences for their idiot notions. The Weimar hyperinflation was a direct result of Germany being unable to pay the reparations set forth after WWI, and the collapse of Weimar is directly what led to the Nazis rise to power - but these leftists would happily recommence the same procedure again to make themselves feel good about nonsensical “systemic racism” because they can’t stand the fact that the world is unfair and shit happens.
Yes, reality is people have experienced dispossession, oppression… domination, conquering and there is no fixed line in contemporary discussions of historical unfairness, shit or power. Discussions around these topics with objective principles, still requires interpretations and perspectives. I’m sure there were numerous contributors to the rise of fascism, and not quite an oversimplification, cause and effect result post 1920’s. This law introduced in 2021, excludes like for like, eg. planting posts or fence etc for the small farm if that’s what they’ve always done. This is about requiring consultation for new mining, water or infrastructure. A conversation with representatives of the 3000th or so generation of the land inhabitants might be more fruitful that what people fear.
This is how I know you’re not a serious person:
“I’m sure there were numerous contributors to the rise of fascism, and not quite an oversimplification, cause and effect result post 1920’s.”
I give you historical facts that took a lot of time and triangulation of viewpoints to learn, these are neutral true statements. You retort with baseless disagreement because you like reparations, don’t know any better, and don’t want to learn.
My position is oriented around reason and facts, yours is purely feelings and emotions.
You’ve never been to an aboriginal community much less lived in one, I can tell as someone who spent years in these places. Your entire worldview was spoonfed to you. It’s not based on learning and experience and testing hypotheses and challenging what you’re told, it’s ideology wrapped in stunted emotional development.
Leftism has turned you into an NPC. I’m sure you’re not a bad person but there’s no there, there. You’re a parrot repeating feel-good slogans because you’re not capable of more and that’s fine, but you’re not worth responding to any further.
It’s perfectly legitimate that we have different perspectives, including Human rights. It also seems unlikely that we could reach a consensus. However, I’ll point to a few assumptions in your previous statements.
Firstly, it is an unsubstantiated to claim that my worldview is solely based on ideology and emotions. As you, I’ve also taken many hours, years to learn about different viewpoints and examine historical facts. I acknowledge that interpretations and perspectives play a role in discussions, but that doesn’t negate the importance of empathy and understanding when it comes to historical injustices.
Secondly, assuming that I have never been to an Aboriginal community or lived in one is incorrect. While I may not have the same experiences as you, this doesn’t invalidate my perspective or diminish the value of the knowledge I’ve gained through research and engaging with diverse communities.
Lastly, characterizing me as an NPC or someone incapable of critical thinking based on a few exchanged statements is speculative and perhaps negligent. We can have differing opinions without resorting to personal attacks .
Always was, always will be, Aboriginal land… is not only about an imperialist view of ownership or property.
Here’s a NZ example of what ia conversation could lead to for Western Australia
