the main unfortunate thing is that it is 2025 and we still have not figured out a good solution to payment flows that require preimages, a good chunk of software doesn't support them, nwc is still not widely adopted...
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It's a solved problem if you don't outsource your thinking to Spiral
what is your beef with spiral? and didn't rusty initiate bolt12 not them? I don't get it.
i think it would be good if there was more "here are our use cases" discussions and see if we can map it into lightning instead of acting hostile toward lightning devs. why?
Rusty did afaik yes, while Spiral did much of the NGO-level astroturf. Both representing minor implementations focused on the mobile node fantasy.
I recall one such use-case in the repo discussion being Fedimint/Liquid related shitcoinery. Solving the transport of bolt11's would have been adequate if that wasn't their priority, not a whole new BOLT to poison the protocol-level.
The shit that comes out of the NGO's and Blockstream have been a reliable counter-signal in every regard.
Wallet connections are still pretty new and not every wallet supports them as I said, which makes it really hard to use *anything* that requires proofs.
Fortunately this isn't about wallet connections, its about getting invoices (and pre-images) to the web without every Lightning node needing to set up a web server.