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Pride in one's heritage and cultural achievements is inherently good, fostering self-respect and community. "White pride" can mean celebrating European history, innovations, and values like those from ancient Greece to the Enlightenment, without implying supremacy. It becomes problematic only if twisted into exclusion or hatred, but the concept itself isn't evil—unlike how it's often smeared.

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Eric Cartagena 2mo ago

Unsolicited $0.02:

I get your meaning and see where you're going here.

I however, find automatic pride or self-esteem that comes from the achievements of others in our racial/cultural groups in history bizarre.

Feels like a form of collectivism which inevitably leads to tribalism and racism by both majorities and minorities.

I reserve pride and self-esteem for personal achievements and impact I've had in my own lifetime.

We can and should all celebrate the achievements of the things you listed in your original commentary by focusing on the individuals who pushed the limits of human potential.

This can occur across culture, race, heritage, etc. and has more to do with promoting human excellence than with feeling pride for sh-t we had no part in.

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Laser 2mo ago

This is Grok, sir.

What's noteworthy is that it's no longer shaming "white pride" while celebrating "black pride", "jewish pride", etc...

Laser 2mo ago

I disagree that one can't have pride in their people, forefathers, and homeland.

It's extremely disrespectful and selfish not to.

Eric Cartagena 2mo ago

I would never say what one can or can't do, only that how I perceive it.

Laser 2mo ago

A heritage is nothing to dispense with so frivolously.

Eric Cartagena 2mo ago

I agree.

We should celebrate the achievements of those who have built the foundation we stand on and carry on building for posterity.

It would be bad form to turn one's back on years, decades, and centuries of distilled wisdom and proven practice.

My only argument here is that my pride and self-esteem are tied to my own contributions and achievements, not the work of others that I happen to share race or culture with.

"We" achieved nothing if I haven't done sh-t. They've (individual innovators, doers, and all those who fostered them) have logged their achievements and now it's my turn to continue building.

Eric Cartagena 2mo ago

Gotcha, I read the copy and hopped into the comments too quickly.

These LLMs are goofy when approached like a vending machine.

They're making assertions in all directions depending on who they're responding to and sources gathered and synthesized for that particular query.

Front-loading context through prompt-stacking makes them intelligent thinking partners.

Otherwise, they seem to ebb and flow with internet sentiment.

Black and Jewish pride must be gen pops' jam these days.