I'm unfamiliar with the concept of "legal" or "illegal" acts of war, but if the bombing of Qatar was deemed illegal, why wasn't the Israeli president arrested during his meeting with Kir Starmer?
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It was a set up to get hamas and everyone is in on it.
Can you explain the distinction between legal and illegal acts of war?
That's the bit I don't get!
When it’s Israel, USA, England, Europe or their friends it’s of course legal.
For everyone else it’s illegal.
You're trying to make a political statement, I'm trying to understand why there is a logical fallacy.
Can you help with the logical fallacy?
You sent me down this rabbit hole this morning! 😳
Law means dick when it’s selectively applied
Sorry 🫂 😂
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It made me sad to see so much written on the subject after each successive war. Declarations, accords, conventions, charters and simply rules.
All these rules and still no end to war.
It made my heart ache for humanity.
War is a game you play to win, the winner gets to choose the fate of the looser.
War is an en-mass fight to the death that nature experiences every day on an individual scale.
It's an all or nothing competition, the concept of building laws around this seems absurd to me.
I get why they have tried.
Consensus to not use chemical or biological weapons, cluster munitions, nuclear weapons etc. To try to limit civilian casualties. To not use rape as a weapon of war.
But humans are humans and will invent more effective and no less lethal methods to kill. It’s profitable after all!
And the winners make the rules 😞
If you win a global nuclear war, who’s left to prosecute you? 😳
There are winners in a global nuclear war?
But I get what you mean 😞
I think you're projecting more meaning than is there. Guy probably thinks global nuclear war actually has a possible victory
Winner is an extremely loose and entirely hypothetical definition 😂
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It’s all hypothetical!
Aren’t we living in a simulation? 🤣
That is the level that our current state of intelligence allows us to imagine.
The chance we understand the true nature of our universe are next to zero, in the same way an ant in the UK cannot conceive of the concept of Japan.
How can it be legal or illegal. To who?
Yeh, exactly!
I don't get the concept of a legal war at all.
It's illegal likely because of no notice.
All these generals are in the same WhatsApp group.
Especially the nuclear ones. Got to check in and find out what or who launched what and when
Even 'enemies'.
There's a good series with Jack Black and geopolitics, really gives insight on how these people act and how they negotiate.
Dude's like Witkoff and Lavrov etc.
I believe the Israeli PM phoned Trump to tell him ahead of time, which is also an interesting dilemma for Trump.
The us military contacted him. They detected the planes already in the airspace then informed Trump who informed Witkoff who tried to call Qatar/Hamas/Israel by that time it was already too late.
Trump posted that statement last night on truth social and the Whitehouse reiterated that.
The BBC reports differently, we never really know.
Whitehouse and Trump said this in a statement that the US military detected the planes then informed Trump.
BBC et al. Have been spinning israeli narratives for a long while now, no wonder they said that, it's sounds way softer.
Ask yourself, why would they bomb the Hamas negotiators they asked to be there in the first place? Israel literally knows they are there and had meetings with them.
Now they're saying Qatar is harbouring terrorists 😂
Ask myself?
That's literally the core and origin of the post.
Why would Israel bomb a neutral country, I couldn't imagine a 6 year making that bad of a decision.
Also, you'd think they'd use Signal over WhatsApp, don't want Mark chipping in his opinions 😂
True, I now use signal. If it's good enough for the Pentagon to discuss war plans, them it's good enough for me 😂
Israel tried to kill the negotiatiors. They don't want to end anything.
They wouldn't have told the USA because the US and Israel both agreed that Qatar was neutral territory AND to host the Hamas negotiators.
So bombing those people would go against the entire mandate in the first place. Israel is a rogue state
The BBC reports differently.
Power > Law
Here comes the materialist in me.
IMO the issue you raise is more of a philosophical-legal nature than strictly legal. Laws, whether they pertain to war or not, have always been and will always be a product of politics throughout history. And politics, in its ultimate essence, relates to political power, that is, physical coercion and violence, and thus to the material power relations between subjects.
A highly recommended and timeless reading: the "Speech of the Athenians to the Melians" by Thucydides, from the Peloponnesian War. It contains everything you need to know about laws, power, and justice.
Of course, Hobbes, Weber, and Marx (I was just waiting to be accused of communism on Nostr) are also recommended readings in this regard.
If you win, then you make the law, if you loose, then the winner gets to choose and doesn't need to worry about any law.
Law is an illusion when it comes to war, the fact that illusion exists is strange to me, I presume it is meant to re-assure the masses that right and wrong will prevail when it wont.
Exactly. To give an impression (illusion) of order and justice whereas in politics the might is right and has always been.
On the other hand, not all illusions are bad in themselves if they keep peace and order to a society, provided that we agree that war is the supreme evil.
Neither all the rulers are the same.
Better a Marcus Aurelius or a Xi Jingping than a Commodo or a PolPot to me.
We are all selfish. A dictator is independently selfish, more democratic rulers like to have the populous support their selfishness 😂
Yeah. Historically speaking I don't see any actual anthropological or moral difference between "Democratic" rulers and "Authoritarian" ones. Most of the times they both seek power above anything else and usually have sociopathic traits. Sociopathy is truly common among power-seeking people. It's just the sociopolitical framework in which they operate that sets the difference. Power corrupts and corrupt/immoral people are attracted by power in any age.
There was a fascinating program on TV, back when TV was a thing.
There was a university professor studying psychopathy.
One day he tested himself. It turned out he was an extreme psychopath. He was married with kids, but after the test admitted, while he loved his wife and kids, he had no moral or empathy about killing them. What stopped him was society and the thought of spending the rest of his life in prison and that he actually liked his wife and kids and wanted them around.
He admitted he was no danger to anyone, but was very open about stating he had no issuing harming or even killing someone. He was a highly intelligent, self diagnosed psychopath, that chose not to do harm because he had a very comfortable and enjoyable lifestyle.
wow
Fallon was featured in the BBC production Are You Good or Evil?, where he revealed his discovery that he, himself, has the neurological and genetic correlates of psychopathy. Fallon stated that even though he displayed callous behaviour in his life, particularly when he was younger, he believed that his positive experiences in childhood negated any potential genetic vulnerabilities to violence and emotional issues.