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Flee from pride. If found within, cut it out. If found in others, treat them fairly, but escape.

This is why I wholeheartedly reject the churches of man, who usurp the throne of God. They are so idolatrous that they can't even read that and comprehend it.

Flee. I tell ya... escape.

#god

freeborn | ἐλεύθερος | 8r0gwg 1y ago

...but the same guy said, "On this rock [the gospel truth, not a particular man-pope] I shall build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Yes: there have been, are, and will be corrupt churches of men (just read Galatians), but a remnant remains, and always will remain. How do we tell which is which? We have a measuring stick: the clear teaching of Scripture. The verse on pride you quoted is very true--but so is the rest of the 'whole counsel of God.' Don't throw it out.

Hope we can still be fellow nostr / bitcoin plebs even though we disagree on this. I enjoy your posts. 🤙

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Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Return to Greek on that passage - I think you will be interested in the other possible translations. The church is not the organization Peter led - that's a representation of the church. The map is not the territory.

freeborn | ἐλεύθερος | 8r0gwg 1y ago

Yes -- petros (~pebble) is the man speaking; petra (~boulder) is the truth spoken. It's on the latter, not the former, upon which the church is built. It's about what is taught, not who is teaching (as we see in Galatians 1--"even if *we* or an angel from heaven..."). I believe not in a 'succession of popes/men,' but in a 'succession of truth,' i.e., the 'faith once delivered.'

I saw your longer response (thank you very much for taking the time to write that), but am headed out for a few hours with my oldest son. I look forward to responding thoughtfully, hopefully later tonight.

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Okay, enjoy your evening. If I come across as angsty, sorry, it's just what happens - I get a bug up my butt and have to criticize everything.

freeborn | ἐλεύθερος | 8r0gwg 1y ago

Nah, I didn't get that, just disagreement on something that matters a lot to both of us.

> In the sphere of religion, as in other spheres, the things about which men are agreed are apt to be the things that are least worth holding; the really important things are the things about which men will fight.

-- J. Gresham Machen

I'm the same way sometimes. We good.