MY SAZMINING EXPERIENCE:

A CAUTIONARY TALE OF MINING EXPECTATIONS

About one year ago, I decided to try mining. After assessing the various options, from solo mining to cloud mining, I selected nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qpq0vkwadgkfkg9vzpe04a6rhpzrd8rlw0r84qelag5hgtycrykgz3qyzqfdf since I liked the interest alignment between the company and its customers.

If you're not familiar with Sazmining (https://www.sazmining.com), it's a company that offers hosted mining services. Here's how it works:

1. You purchase a mining rig from Sazmining, which gets shipped and deployed at one of their farms (located in Paraguay or Norway).

2. You pay a monthly hosting fee that covers energy and basic maintenance costs.

3. The hashrate of your rig is directed to the Luxor mining pool.

4. You earn sats, with Sazmining taking a 15% fee on your earnings.

In this scheme, Sazmining has all the incentives to keep your rig running constantly and efficiently.

Sazmining claims that mining with them will allow you to acquire Bitcoin at a much lower price than the market price. As of today, they claim on their homepage that you can get 1 BTC for $58K, which would be almost a 50% discount.

However, my personal experience tells a different story. I'd like to share my numbers with you. I purchased a Bitmain S21 for $5K and had it shipped to the Paraguay farm where the energy costs (0.047$/KWh) are covered by the hosting subscription ($120/month). Note that your monthly fee may vary slightly due to factors like local energy curtailments or overconsumption by your rig.

When I purchased my mining rig from Sazmining, they estimated that I could reach break-even within 15 months (by May 2025). At that time, their website featured a useful simulator that allowed me to experiment with different scenarios and estimate my potential returns. Unfortunately, this simulator is no longer available.

However, I've had to revise that forecast significantly. Today, my optimistic estimate suggests that it will take around 27 months (until July 2026) for me to reach break-even. Notably, this change isn't of course due to any decrease in Bitcoin's price.

So far, I’ve earned 3.4M sats, but the pace of payouts to my wallet is getting slower: from 340K every 3 weeks at the start, to 340K every 6 weeks now. Quite likely this is due to the significant increase in the global hashrate.

Combining both upfront hardware expenses ($5K) along accumulated hosting fees ($1300), I’ve paid a 110K USD/BTC price for my 3.4M sats!

After one year I’m still pretty far from enjoying the advertised discount and, of course, if I had opted for DCA purchases, I would have enjoyed much better results.

Hopefully, my return on investment will improve in the coming months, but there are no certainties, since global hashpower keeps growing.

I have the feeling that any other strategy (e.g. DCA) would have performed much better over the past year.

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Discussion

Is this a KYC-free service?

Which means, are you paying a premium on Bitcoin price to get totally KYC-free sats? This could justify the higher price in my opinion.

It is indeed KYC-free, but I'm not that interested in this aspect.

If this is their value proposition, they should advertise it openly, not claiming that users will get bitcoin at a discounted price.

Of course, it depends on what’s you interest, I think that on most p2p platforms the premium is somewhat similar.

However, I agree with you. This is not what they advertise.

What’s your exit for this then?

If they’ve taken down their earnings calculator that’s a red flag that they aren’t long for this world

I could sell my rig and deploy it somewhere else.

Not sure it is worth the trouble though.

Being a Sazmining customer implies a lot of trust in the company. I took the risk and I wanted to share the so-and-so outcome.

If you sell it, they’ll send it to the buyer on your behalf?

What in your opinion is the flaw in the model? Like why are you estimating 27 months for BE against their 15? Is it just all the additional hash on the network or is there something they could do better?

I guess Sazmining will take care of shipping the rig to the buyer or they could even buy it themselves and resell it to their customers, but there is no detailed information.

I think that the longer time to reach BE is mostly due to the increased global hashrate. We certainly can't blame the price. 😉

Transparency is key when you run a business based on trust.

And Sazmining could do much better in that department.

Really appreciate the feedback here!

Although we try to be as transparent as possible with our monthly Town Halls and access to the team + nostr:nprofile1qqsd0mkr73h9rts2glt732mah9w8mzj2xv7pctmjg9549tpzmk8crzqprpmhxue69uhhwetvvdhk6efwdehhxarj9emkjmn9qyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvqydhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytf39ehxymewv9hxwctwdyhxxmcdxupyh, it looks like we still have room for improvement.

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Indeed, Marco, I’d love to learn more about where we could do better transparency since it is one of our core focuses as a business.

Hey there!

We're definitely long for this world 😎

We took down our calculator because we wanted to improve it with better data.

Working on getting it back up and specific to our site metrics ASAP.

When did you take the calculator down?

When is it coming back?

Why is one of your customers getting 27 months from his own calculations when your calculator gave him 15?

We did a website redesign and chose to focus on the cost to mine a bitcoin instead of ROI. Why? ROI doesn’t make sense if you’re in it to stack sats but comparing the price to the price on exchange does.

The previous calculator was full of disclaimers including that it was a a projection based on the bitcoin price and difficulty at the time of purchase.

Thanks for sharing.

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Well, Sazmining should consider clearly stating the criteria and assumptions used to derive the advertised $58K/BTC purchase price. This will enable prospective clients to make a more informed decision.

Additionally, Sazmining might publish aggregate data about users/rigs and their contributions to Luxor's hashrate, allowing everyone to verify that they are receiving a fair share of mined sats.

Finally, Sazmining might release quarterly financial reports to reassure customers that their trust is reflected in the company's profit and loss statement (P&L) and balance sheet.

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