Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpkW8JhqcgY

It's on Fountain if you're not the video type: https://fountain.fm/episode/qXPDqSn3AJnjabKexuXh

It actually helps a bunch of you do listen / watch on youtube as that's the only place there are public viewer numbers.

This conversation was really fun. Not the least of which was i got to interview of the the social media influencers my kids like. He's somebody who both is successful on big social platforms and really understands the problems with they way they're shaping culture, politics, and the economy.