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nature is healing

I don't think robbing Apple of their property rights is an example of nature healing. Don't publish on their servers if you don't like their rules. Don't buy their devices if you don't really want them. Don't develop for their platform if you don't like how they treat developers. Don't use their products if you don't like how they treat users.

But all of that's nonsense. Nah. It's much better to keep buying their shit (that you obviously don't really want) and building for their garbage platform while running to daddy government to force them to be what you want them to be.

Buy other hardware. Use other software. Build for other platforms. You may feel like you're winning, but all of this just expands government power and reduces property rights.

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HoloKat 8mo ago

I like both iOS and Mac OS and especially the hardware. It’s not the best specs but definitely the most thoughtful package.

Obviously don’t like their store policies and glad they are being sued but I wouldn’t want Apple to go away.

Matt 8mo ago

Where does it end though? Government deciding the ports. Cool. The server policies. Cool. What next? At some point you have to stop and realize that you just don't want the walled garden they're selling. And continuing to buy their products only delays would be competitors from meeting your needs. I mean have at it I guess. I hate Apple and their products. But I also don't buy them. I don't use them. And I certainly don't demand that they change by force. They eventually will go away if you keep taking away control of their shit. It's like their users want to nationalize the company one bit at a time. You at least don't believe in free markets or property rights if you don't think they should be able to set the terms of the apps on their own servers.

I don't agree with Apple. I just think it's worse to use force in place of markets.

HoloKat 8mo ago

I think we’re talking past each other about unrelated concepts. All I’m commenting on is the product and they are great.

Matt 8mo ago

Is the app store not part of the product? Their whole product philosophy is one of control. They've engineered all of them that way in virtually every respect. Repairs, hardware, software, etc. The entire stack is controlled by Apple. If you don't like that for the app store, where does it stop broadly? Other people didn't like the charging ports. Apple customers are constantly fighting the company to various degrees simply because it isn't really the philosophy they want.

You're just doing it with the app store. I get that. But their app store mentality is the exact same with every aspect of their products when you boil it down. You just happen to be okay with the other bits.

Michael 8mo ago

Yes, they are a writer so 12 years ago I bought a MacBook Air and I still have the same MacBook Air I figured since I’m gonna be using eight hours a day I might as well like and enjoy the experience. Having said that all Monopoly are there Monopoly. All money in Silicon Valley has is and always will be in government military money pretendingto be venture funds. We need to wake up from this very revolting reality and it’s a quick fix we’re on the right app for that. Well not a quick fix.

Matt 8mo ago

I'm not really talking to people who love the Apple approach as it is. I'm speaking to people who keep giving them money even though they don't like that Apple doesn't give a fuck about them. And then use government to force Apple to do what they don't want to do. Just stop giving them money. They don't have a monopoly on anything they don't own and that you didn't agree to when you gave them money voluntarily.

Scoundrel 8mo ago

If you don't have a line where you are willing to be responsible for yourself then no amount of legal action will ever solve the underlying problems. At best the law is just a shoddy and localized patch-job by someone who felt bad enough about your abusive relationship to get you a nice distraction.

jb55 8mo ago

nah this is karma

Matt 8mo ago

For what? Selling people the closed stack they keep choosing to pay for?

jb55 8mo ago

for treating their devs who pay $100 a year like shit, even when they follow the guidelines.

Scoundrel 8mo ago

Oh noooo, the poor wage-cuck code-monkeys destroyed some of the equipment that Apple accidentally left in their cage! How brave and inspiring!

Matt 8mo ago

Then stop paying them. Removing their private property rights is a really stupid solution to just not buying into their ridiculous model. You agreed to their centralized model. You decided to build for it. You suffer the consequences. I'm not defending their actions, I'm defending their right to dictate what is served on property they allegedly own or control. They don't want you. They hate you. They've made that abundantly clear. But they have a right to be stupid and we should all be defending it.

elsat 8mo ago

Does apple have right to 30% of every peer-to-peer transaction on venmo, cashapp, paypal, zelle, bank of america?

Matt 8mo ago

Yes, if those are the terms of having the app hosted on their servers.

elsat 8mo ago

I see.

And what if these terms are not specified?

Matt 8mo ago

Then they aren't terms. Are you trying to make a point?

elsat 8mo ago

Trying to understand through the lens of private property rights why apple threatens ban of certain p2p apps, and not others.

Matt 8mo ago

Private property rights don't require a reason you can rationalize. It only needs to make sense for them. That's literally the whole point of private property rights.

Personally, I think they're a bunch of fucking morons for it but that's why I don't give them any of my money. But that doesn't mean I want to abolish their right to do stupid shit with their own property.

Scoundrel 8mo ago

That depends. Is there any world in which you would stop using any of those services based on how much money they give to Apple?

CensorThis 8mo ago

Life isn’t that easy.

Internally you think you sound like an idealistic hero. And while you have some points what you sound like is a dick.

Scoundrel 8mo ago

How does it feel to be such a big loser?

Matt 8mo ago

Great argument. I see why I had them muted.

Scoundrel 8mo ago

You should unmute nostr:nprofile1qqsdnkaqupetmv6nm7cqyr0ptyfx4ar7d8sn8653h02gazldudejpcspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduqs7amnwvaz7tm6v9czuampw33ksqg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhx6mmnw3ezuur4vguy0s8w. nostr:nprofile1qqsdnkaqupetmv6nm7cqyr0ptyfx4ar7d8sn8653h02gazldudejpcspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduqs7amnwvaz7tm6v9czuampw33ksqg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhx6mmnw3ezuur4vguy0s8w is very confident and open to discussions. If you have a problem with someone then you shouldn't avoid confrontation. You should be willing to shit-talk them to their face.

Bac0t 8mo ago

btw you still can buy other hardware and use macOS in it