you see? the whole point is that nobody can know what is going on over LN.
Coinjoins are the past, from the pre-LN era.
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Dual funded channels are coinjoins, there's nothing wrong with coinjoining.
Yes... nothing wrong with them. I use them pre-LN era a lot.
But now is time to move on.
"Selling" them as the "privacy" method is misleading.
Coinjoining is *a* privacy method. Saying it's not is misleading.
is obsolete
How could multiple people contributing inputs to the same on chain tx ever become "obsolete"? The bytes saved from the transaction header make it strictly more cost effective in all cases.
I've sent and receive multiple payments through a single LN channel. With the same multiple people as you are talking.
Is that not also "cost effective" and private?
Can you prove me otherwise?
I will bet 1BTC if you can find the original UTXO bought from a KYC exchange, from which I sent you 1000 sats.
1. You can't just copy me, I've been issuing this same challenge to shitcoiners for years, if you can trace my coinjoin payment, then prove it: https://x.com/Kruwed/status/1872259314272084230
2. I never claimed to be able to trace Lightning. Why are you attacking the same strawman a second time?
nothing against you man... just busting your balls
This whole argument is idiotic. If I'm opening a lightning channel, I don't want my counterparty to know where my coins came from. Thus I use coinjoin+lightning.
Also, layer your security. Not everything works 100%
That's what i do aswell. I get #bitcoin, i coinjoin once & split the UXTOs, and only then i open my LN channels. For 99.999% of users, there's no point to be constantly coinjoining on-chain sats, it's a waste of sats through mining fees even at 2 sat/vB.
Can you explain how you coinjoin and split the UTXO?
Privacy is provided by a coinjoin when participants create outputs with the same value as each other. However, participants in the coinjoin will have arbitrary input amounts, so splitting into several different sized UTXOs is necessary. This is not a one way operation, you can also consolidate UTXOs within a coinjoin transaction, not just split them.
