correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure there’s no guarantee how many sats a share in these etfs are worth

on a dollar value, they’ll do fine but on a per sat basis investing into an etf in a bull day dilutes the per share sats value of everyone else in the fund

the reverse happens on bear days, afaict. here’s the lil scenario i walked through to convince myself of this dynamic.

100 shares, 100k sats. current price is $2/sat. $200k total NAV

ea share worth 1k sats

lets say the price moves up, to

$4/sat, $400k NAV, 100k sats

i buy 10 shares, $40k in, buys 10k sats

110 shares, $440k/110k sats

1k sats/share

market moves: day price is $5. $40k buys 8k sats

110 shares, 108k sats

989sats/share

market moves: day price is $2. $40k buys 20k sats

110 shares, 120k sats

1.09k sats/share

the big question is: is the price per share sold updated for the sats they acquire? or do they just accept money at price X, buy as many sats as they can at day-end and that’s what gets added to the fund?

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I should really go read the prospectuses but im lazy 🪦

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it’s dated which gives the impression that that’s a moving metric

I would imagine it would only change in the event that they do a split or reverse split. Double your shares but halve the BTC per share.

Maybe this will come to be known as the suits version of halving events 😂

The etf price is tied to the "market" price at the time of the cash transaction. This means the CTFC is going to regulate the shit out of coinbase's trading desk (IMO) and only allow certain classes of traders to participate, like they do with the grain exchange.

from what I understand they get the $ day after 😶

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ChatGPT4 gives this answer to your question:

Your understanding of the dynamics of an ETF (Exchange-Traded Fund) investing in a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (where the denomination is in satoshis, or "sats") seems to be on the right track. Let's break down your example and address your big question.

In your scenario, you're considering an ETF where the underlying asset is measured in satoshis, and the value of these assets fluctuates with the price of Bitcoin. Here's how it works:

1. **Initial Scenario**:

- 100 shares in the ETF, with a total of 100,000 sats.

- The price of each sat is $2, so the total Net Asset Value (NAV) of the ETF is $200,000.

- Each share is thus worth 1,000 sats.

2. **Price Increase to $4/sat**:

- NAV increases to $400,000 (100,000 sats at $4 each).

- You buy 10 shares at this new valuation.

- The fund receives $40,000 and buys 10,000 new sats at $4/sat.

- Total shares: 110, Total sats: 110,000.

- Each share still represents approximately 1,000 sats.

3. **Price Increase to $5/sat**:

- Market price per sat increases to $5.

- $40,000 now buys fewer sats (8,000 sats).

- Total shares: 110, Total sats: 108,000.

- Each share now represents about 982 sats.

4. **Price Decrease to $2/sat**:

- Market price per sat decreases to $2.

- $40,000 buys more sats (20,000 sats).

- Total shares: 110, Total sats: 120,000.

- Each share now represents about 1,091 sats.

In this scenario, the value per share in terms of sats changes based on the market value of Bitcoin at the time of each transaction. The ETF does not maintain a fixed number of sats per share; instead, the number of sats represented by each share fluctuates based on the fund's total satoshi holdings and the number of outstanding shares.

Regarding your big question: **Is the price per share sold updated for the sats they acquire?**

- In most ETFs, the price per share that investors buy or sell at is based on the NAV per share, which is calculated at the end of each trading day. This NAV reflects the current market value of the underlying assets (in your case, sats) divided by the total number of shares.

- When new shares are issued (like when you bought 10 shares), the ETF uses the money to buy more of the underlying asset at the current market rate. This is then reflected in the NAV and, consequently, in the value of each share.

So, in essence, the price per share is indeed updated to reflect the current value of the assets the ETF holds, which in your scenario, is the number of sats and their current market value.

would love to get a data source i trust but it does seem to be saying the same thing

hard to tell if it’s mimicking back what i said tho or is actually providing new info based on other sources o.O

Indeed. I erased the chat already. I don't also trust fully where chatgpt gets his source from.... For me ETFs are not transparent to ever put a single penny in it. Not your keys not your coins.

Sounds like a pain in the arse and plenty of room to scalp profits

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Deliberate obfuscation? Seems like a share price that is factor of ten representation of the bitcoin price shouldn't be that hard. 100,000 sats/share?