per chi preferisce il formato Podcast, disponibile anche su Spotify

parte 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7ccP3Q1Xwz04qdecJybAa6?si=0f7e23e4ea7f4787

parte 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2gdMizZETtW4NnWlNcPuOk?si=78983ba80fe1458d

parte 3: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1o0noNjlndtrGBK5PhAQaS?si=ab0bd8d697034b5d