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b05cfa31... 1y ago

A question for nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs and those that are shitting on the EU.

*Note: I am addressing a larger issue and not only talking about the EU's note to X*

Why is it that rather than addressing the concerns of law enforcement authorities are we more inclined to mock them for their actions. Maintaining the rule of law is not a frivolous issue. Their concerns are valid and we must recognize them as such. With the events currently occuring in the UK, no one in their right mind would be an absolute free speech zealot.

How would you respond to a situation where you are a victim of a crime committed by those using the same ultra-private anonymous tools that all of us parade about. The helplessness of law enforcement in cracking down on drug enforcement and human trafiking rings using private anonymous tooling is a valid concern that we must try to solve as a community.

Nobody benefits from the skepticism that law enforcement has for technologies such as #monero

How about we rise to the occasion and help the government get their concerns heard while protecting our interests ?

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HODL 1y ago

As an American I hate to inform you of this friend but I am an “absolute free speech zealot”. I do not believe in a single restriction on speech.

Freedom of speech should make you and the EU and even the people who support it deeply uncomfortable.

Always remember you only need free speech for the speech you hate and disagree with. Not for the speech you agree with.

Their concerns are not valid.

Not even a little bit.

b05cfa31... 1y ago

Crime transcends agreement and disagreement. Free Speech for those who wish to dismantle the foundation of our society through terrorism and crime are not beholden to ideological precepts.

Please address the issue I have raised. I am talking about developing a safe society while still maintaining the interests of those that are privacy conscious. The paradox is far more complex than the rhetoric you have tried to use here.

HODL 1y ago

It’s not. I believe in free speech for terrorists, communists, nazis… whatever. In America they all have free speech. This isn’t rhetoric. These are deeply held civic principles.

cypherpunk 1y ago

"The helplessness of law enforcement in cracking down on drug

enforcement ... using private anonymous tooling is

a valid concern that we must try to solve as a community."

Speak for yourself.

There's nothing wrong with two parties that want to transaction VOLUNTARILY, doing so., IN PRIVATE.

b05cfa31... 1y ago

You are falling into the same trap that most zealots fall into. The trap of stupid idealism. It is obvious that all transactions cannot be validated purely on the grounds of being 'voluntary'. We have to eventually shut down our computer screens and live in the real world. I am sure you would not go as far as to condone money laundering and terror financing as merely a 'voluntary transaction' between two private individuals.

cypherpunk 1y ago

You have much to learn about liberty.

cypherpunk 1y ago

You have much to learn about liberty.

atori 1y ago

It's a matter of net benefit. Having these tools is a net benefit for society, even if that means some people use to do some bad things. LE has a legitimate interest in targeted surveillance if there is probably cause and a judge signs of on it. Mass surveillance however is unacceptable and must be made technologically impossible.

b05cfa31... 1y ago

No one is contesting the importance of these products, they serve an important function generally. And I will take your point, targeted surveillance is an acceptable middle ground, but I think we can do better.

atori 1y ago

Better how?