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On a high level Chris I agree with you completely. As we strive towards enlightenment and freedom your values are the ones I would align with.

Here's why I still have a problem with it though. I don't believe we will ever get a significant amount of people to practice your ideology, and if we practice it alone we are doomed.

Humans are herd animals, we are by nature tribal and collectivist creatures, and our different tribes and social structures have been tools of survival for thousands of years. There is no moving past that for most people, and only in our culture is it even a strong stated desire.

We have to face the world as it is, which is tribal and group oriented. I want my family and my extended tribe to have a homeland, have a successful country, and to prosper. I want my nation to be predominantly white and Christian as it once was. I am not evil for wanting that and I don't have to deny that there are groups and cultures which I would prefer to be part of, and groups are made up of individuals.

Chris Liss 1mo ago

I agree -- people largely respond to incentives, not truth or reason.

But before we get to the point of what to *do* in that case, we can, on nostr, in a non-emotional way just get to the heart of what’s actually *true*.

Once we acknowledge that humans are individuals who should be judged accordingly, that we don’t consent to white guilt or any collective guilt based on race or ancestry for anyone, then we can separately decide what to do about the problem that hordes of people in our own country (not foreigners) believe in identity politics first and foremost.

I think even if adopting their frame (identity-based race collectivism) were short-term expedient, it would still be perpetuating the root cause of the problem.

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Zach⚡️ 1mo ago 💬 3

I'm a white American man who wants my country to be economically strong, have European and Christian values, and preserve the traditions of my ancestors.

That is itself a form of idenitiy politics - all politics are rooted in identity. I will fight for my identity and these feelings are becoming common among my generation. The time for handwaving about treating people as individuals was gone about 25 million immigrants ago.

Chris Liss 1mo ago

“I’m a non-binary person of color, and I want the white man to pay for the injustices done against me. I will fight for reparations and take back the property he stole from my ancestors who he brought to this land against their will. The time for handwaving about treating people as individuals was gone about 300 years ago.”

Good luck!

Zach⚡️ 1mo ago 💬 2

That's the war we are in Chris. They already think like that and would kill us given the opportunity. Remember Charlie Kirk?

Non-binary people tend to not reproduce btw so that's not my primary concern.

There is no such thing as "generations of non-binary people". 😂

Our European + White Christian American culture needs to win again in America.

Chris Liss 1mo ago

IMO real American values are ANTI-identity politics. Not stooping to the level of the leftist garbage that’s taken over mainstream culture of late. If we’re going to win, we have to reject it IMO. The reactionaries will only push us further down the road to hell.

Zach⚡️ 1mo ago

We are pretty close to hell. Let's let the people who built this country have a turn running it again. My two sats.

BTC-Satan 1mo ago

Yeah, how'd we get to the point of browns posting on social media about how "whites have no culture."

I saw the shift in the last 80's as MTV shifted to all-rap. The MYV programmers were accused of racism even though the blacks had BET which did have some music programming. It only took a few years to see whites acting black, ebonics accent and all.

Not to disparage any other cultures.

But it is time to discuss the restoration of white identity, by whites. When you develop friends in other cultures you learn really quick that they view EVERYTHING through the lens of race and skin color. It's natural, they're being honest.

Whites are insanely self-delusional.