Nostr Web Client

My point was that a single ethics framework for the entirety of Nostr is:

1. Centralizing (who gets to say what's ethical?). And everybody here hates centralization.

2. Impossible to enforce. Clients and relays will each do what they have to do.

Furthermore, ethics, like you said, is about values. And forcing somebody's values into others is not why we are here.

There is no "we" in Nostr.

Discussing ethics and proposing frameworks for others to individualistically adopt is great. Making that part of the protocol debate and thus centralizing discussions on that group is not.

Nostr is better if each network participant enforces their own ethical framework in their clients and relays. And let the best win.

Also, that debate was on the NIP repo, which is a very unique discussion forum exactly because it cannot dictate what can or cannot be done, it just documents what exists to improve interoperability between clients and relays.

hodlbod 1y ago

I agree with the first part of your note. The second part I think just doesn't make sense. The NIPs repo can't dictate, but proposing changes is still done there anyway. Those changes come from a framework of values. Objecting on the same grounds is equally valid.

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hodlbod 1y ago

If someone proposed a way to put porn on nostr, I probably wouldn't argue, because I already know my value system diverges enough from that person's that it would be pointless. At that point, the only productive discussion would be related to implementation details. But I like to think I share enough values with most nostr developers that it is productive to suggest a different approach to solving an inherently social problem.

Vitor Pamplona 1y ago

Agree. To me, the only point of the NIP repo is to debate implementation details: the how, not the why.

Yeah, when things are ethical and good, it's better. Hopefully, those proposals will grow faster than unethical ones. But we have no control over that.

hodlbod 1y ago

You do if there's a chance of changing someone's mind and you say something. Some of us pushed back against lastword, and so it's probably not going to happen. If Mike wants to build it anyway he can, but now that he knows other developers aren't going to support it, he's less likely to. This is just consensus.