Yeah, but my only point is that when technical people tell me they can't get Lightning to work, they lose me, because I am not technical and can. Trust me, I have tested so many Lightning wallets and have had force closes, etc. I am well aware of the shortcomings and frustrations, but to say it doesn't work is false, and to say you can't get it to work is hard to believe. It's more like you have another vision of what you want Bitcoin to do, and you refuse to even put in the time to understand or use the other thing.