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Let me spoil the story for you now.

We will win. It will not be easy, but we will win.

And we will usher in an age of peace and prosperity so great that it will dwarf any that came before it.

For a short time we will be reviled and then later canonized and revered.

Eventually though the legends of the past will be abandoned in this new age of prosperity and safety.

Why should anyone care about the struggles of the past, when they have nothing to worry about today?

Our descendants will simply not understand how lucky they are, how protected and peaceful their lives have become due to our sacrifices.

In their wealth they will grow bored, they will seek out alternatives and even begin worshipping the same system that tried to enslave their fathers and mothers.

Everything we did will be reduced to nothing and undone in a millennium.

And what’s worse is that Bitcoin won’t be destroyed by some external enemy or force of nature.

It will come from within.
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Azz 4mo ago 💬 2

The Tower of Babel is not just an old myth. It is a mirror of human nature. Every great human project becomes corrupted from within, twisted by pride and self interest until it collapses under its own weight. Bitcoin is no different. The seeds of Babel are already visible: disinformation pumped by influencers, cult like narratives that serve personal gain, and power games dressed up as ideology.

But the fact that creation is subjected to frustration does not mean it has no purpose. Bitcoin will not deliver utopia. No human system ever will. Yet it can still strike blows against the worst injustices of fiat money. It can limit the power of centralised authorities to debase currency, strip wealth, and enslave nations through debt. It is not salvation but it is resistance.

And just as Babel scattered into many tongues, we should expect rivals to emerge. Genuine altcoins such as Monero will contend with Bitcoin, not because truth is divided but because human striving inevitably produces multiplicity. That competition itself may be part of the antidote to tyranny.

The question is not whether Bitcoin can build a perfect tower to heaven. It cannot and it will not. The question is whether we will use it to confront evil and reduce injustice, or whether we will let pride rot it from the inside until it becomes another Babel, another monument to human folly.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 4mo ago 💬 1

babel is not a myth. the details of the story are hazy probably because so many people died and so many things burned during its events but around teh same time also was what reads like a description of a meteor strike on the region of sodom and gomorrah. it's not a big stretch to speculate that it's actually both a story of the collapse of a civilization as well as a massive natural disaster.

monero is a distraction. we only need one money. monero is basically darkweb zhetons.

also, the natural disaster that likely was involved with the story of Babel is probably driven by recurring solar flares and the last one, now increasingly being referred to as the "Tianchi Event" based on the volcanic geological traces of the magnetic pole movement related to a massive swarm of volcanic eruptions around 6000 years ago is probably concurrent with what happened in Babel and Sodom and Gomorrah.

when so many people die in a disaster that virtually across the planet there was a loss of some 80-90% of the population, in a lot of cases the survivors are children, who don't have the full grasp of their culture's language and history, and who find other survivors from nearby regions and due to their language differences, develop a hybrid pidgin that eventually becomes a legit language after a thousand years or so.

everything about the babel story screams large scale natural disaster to me. not Flood level but big, and we already know that there was multiple locations across the planet about 6000 years ago where there are traces of a massive disaster. tying that also to the breakdown of civil society described in the encounters the people whose story populates Genesis, it likely also concurrently happened that there was a similar kind of society breakdown like we are seeing now. and, for extra bonus points, there is stuff going on with the sun right now that are looking a lot like the early warning signs of a large solar flare event that could cause a similar kind of disaster to occur. possibly even bigger, like Flood scale.

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Azz 4mo ago 💬 1

I am not denying that the Tower of Babel may have been a real event. What I am drawing attention to is its role in the unfolding narrative of Genesis.

Genesis 1 to 9 follows a repeated pattern of human sin, God’s judgment, and God’s mercy. Adam and Eve disobey and are banished from the garden, yet God promises that the woman’s offspring will crush the serpent. Cain murders Abel and is condemned to wander, yet God marks him so that no one takes his life. Humanity fills the earth with violence, so God sends the flood, yet He preserves Noah and his family. Over and over, judgment is tempered by grace.

The Tower of Babel breaks this rhythm. Humanity unites in pride to build a monument of self sufficiency, God scatters them across the earth, and the narrative shifts immediately to Abraham. The implication is that Babel remains the typecast for all human endeavours. From that point forward, God’s redemptive work flows through the promise to Abraham, which finds its fulfilment in Christ and will be completed at His return.

This pattern warns us not to place ultimate faith in human projects, whether nations, economies, or technologies. Bitcoin is no exception. It will always carry the seeds of Babel within it. Yet at the same time, we can acknowledge its potential to restrain evil, to limit exploitation, and to serve as a tool for justice. Our task is not to worship it as a tower to heaven but to use it responsibly in service of what is good while keeping our eyes fixed on the hope that lies in Christ alone.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 4mo ago

the primary sin is not recognising what is sin. someone convinced eve to eat a fruit saying it would have magical effects on her, and she seduced adam into joining her. it was not their property. so, fraud, then theft, then fraud, then more theft. you can't say that they didn't know it was someone else's tree and they specifically asked them not to eat it.

cain was jealous of abel because the Lord liked his bbq and didn't like abel's vegan salad. that pattern repeats with jacob (later israel) and his brother esau, and again the same pattern, envy and pride leading to - in this case, conspiracy to murder.

adam and eve were not as evil as cain or esau.

also, abraham destroyed his father's idols and left the biggest one standing and said "it was him, they have power, right? right?"

this "all have sinned" is not the same as "all are evil". adam was not evil, eve was naive, but cain was evil, esau was evil (and he kept on down that path until his end as well).

the two takeaways i get from this are that women are easy to bamboozle and envious brothers are a plague.

further, repeatedly, even in genesis and then througout the rest of the book there is promised a time when evil would no longer control the fate of humanity. so, it's not even stated that sin is unrequitable. it is, and it will be quitted.

i agree with your points for the most part but i deny that we cannot live free of the baleful influence of proud, envious, duplicitous people. you can just walk away from them. if they hunt you, then you are perfectly justified in ending them. for the most part it's not that difficult to get that far away, even on foot it's possible in a few weeks to be so far from someone that you never see them again.

also, regarding the "tower" of babel i always point to the "skyscraper index" - building majestic tall buildings tends to be a mark of a stage of the debasement of money, and society, where its own corruption destroys it, if nothing else also comes to help out, like a solar flare or meteor.