Also think it erodes society's natural protections for women, in war and peacetime, if it's assumed they are all potential combatants.

Women are increasingly seen as gun-slingers, martial artists, boxers, and infantry fighters, now, and that's a step away from civilization.

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I'm not a strong proponent of gender norms, but I agree with your core argument: once someone wields a gun, they have put their life at stake. They have joined the game, become a dangerous threat, and must be disabled. As terrifying as it might be, you have a better chance of survival without one, forcing the attacker to make the personal decision to injure a noncombatant.

A better chance of survival without a gun? This is a delusional take.

Gun advocates certainly think so. Funny that service members don't.

I'm a former service member. I am armed everywhere I'm legally allowed to be and sometimes even where I'm not.

Blanket statements are dumb. Please stop.

I said the most protective soldiers, not all soldiers.

Would you advocate for arming non-combatants though? Picking up a gun doesn't make anyone safer unless you of the right mindset and have trained appropriately. To make a frivolous parallel, an amateur in a Ferrari will never win a real race against a professional in a Mazda 3. The only way to not lose is to be the professional, or not pick up the gun.

The guys in the Ferrari and the Mazda will beat the guy with no car in a race. The car less guy could call an uber (law enforcement) but it would be too little too late.

Arm and train!

You're making the common presumption of a situation where violence is inevitable. Almost all of the time it can be avoided, unless you escalate it.

I agree, violence is extremely rare. I’m a very peaceful person and would never take the first step to escalate violence. But on the rare occasion that violence may arise, I’ll be prepared. I don’t leave home without it.

Capability is already a form of escalation. If there was a potential fight, now there is a potential gun fight, and you'll be in it because you are a threat. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree that you'll be prepared.

Capability is a form of escalation? I couldn’t disagree more. I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. We are so far apart on our views that we will just have to agree to disagree.

Opinions seem divided based on a complex set of expectations

Thank you for your service.

And kicking the hornets nest in this thread again 😂

I like practicing shooting in my personal shooting range wearing a dress and pearls. Using a gun doesn't mean you have to give up your femininity.

I want to have manly men there to protect me, but I also want to have the ability to protect myself and my kids should the need arise. It is better to have a gun and know how to use it even though you never do than need a gun and not have one.

I hate it when women demand protection from me when i think they don't deserve it. Being a man doesn't mean i have to protect women. I am not a stupid knight and i don't even have a white horse 😀. You do well to practice to have the ability to protect yourself

There's just nothing feminine about killing other people. War is a man's game.

Women are more barbarus in war they say. Life can come to this. War is a shitty situation that can affect everyone nearby.

Hopefully it will never come to that, but I'd rather have to kill someone than have someone kill my family members. I don't know if I would be able to kill to protect myself, but to save my kids, yes.

I don't think women should be in war, but being a momma bear guarding her young is a different thing altogether.

Boudica would disagree

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when the men fall, who is left to protect the children... and they should also know how to use weapons before they are into their teens as well