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All i can speak is from me personally, but its more of a “people are wrong on the internet” and i feel compelled to defend sipa et al from lies and defamation. Calling it “panicking” is just a label you are applying. And an inaccurate one. core devs can sleep at night knowing they are doing the right thing for bitcoin, even in the face of a sustained misinformation campaign against them.

sipas answer really should have ended this debate at this point

https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/127903

FernandoTheKoala 3mo ago 💬 1

The fact that core devs seems incapable to even remotely consider the option that people have understood their technical arguments but disagree (because maybe ppl value other things more or don’t think the trade off is justified) speaks volumes.

These are not comments to ignite discord or making fun, it is an honest attempt to help core devs wake up and realize they need to reasses a few things. Instead of doing a self-analysis of what perhaps you might have done wrong, you guys are doubling down and closing in on yourself even more and lashing out. This behaviour has become obvious to everyone now

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jb55 3mo ago 💬 1

Have you been involved in any engineering project ever? When building a nuclear power plant you don’t add extra knobs because the lay person would (incorrectly) think its better. These are system that secure trillions of dollars, engineering and technical reasoning process is *critical*. if that gets corrupted we are fucked.

Bitcoin doesn’t care about your feelings, it cares about technically correct decision making so the system’s decentralization doesn’t fail.

FernandoTheKoala 3mo ago 💬 1

your reply is just further evidence of what I've been trying to say and the mistake that core devs keeps doing:

stop coming back with only technical-focused arguments, don't you see that this is not what is about anymore? You will not persuade ppl with technical arguments anymore because the crux of the matter are:

1) Perceived imposition on nodes (taking away configurability) and very much "central planning" vibes from core. You can be 100% right on the change and 100% wrong on the way you are trying to implement it

2) Dismissal of criticism from non-technical users (tecnocracy + refusal to incorporate other non-tech perspectives into the discussion)

3) Perceived "reactionary" behaviour from core devs to miners centralization and spammers issues. This op_return return is perceived as a reactionary "let's try to minimize damage now as best as we can", but users have not seen any real attempt to fix the issue (i.e. stratum v2) rather than just react and contain it

All these are non-tech related issue, ppl disagree on other fields, and keep insisting that btc is only about technical aspects (as if humans where not involved at all ) is the biggest mistake core is doing.

As long as core keeps staying in its "techno bubble" it will not be able to reinstate a productive dialogue with plebs

JBN 3mo ago

Your fallacy is that time spent is to convince you. There is no reason to believe ideologues (whose arguments about tech aren't technical) will change their minds. It is spent to fix what your claims have broken, and to remedy untruth and misunderstanding among non-ideologues who act in good faith, dont make it all about themselves and their emotions. Just because you have a nonreasoned reaction (or worse, can imagine someone else might be reacting) doesn't mean someone else should address it.