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I agree, that Israel got a king because they rejected God and that human kings are corrupt. But that doesn't negate the point I was making. The verses I posted where to show that when God allows another to have authority over us we are to be obedient. This is of course subject to the moral law. You would not follow a human law to the violation of God's law.

The whole point is that authoritative hierarchies are NOT contrary to the good and to the will of God. Families being the prime example. It is specifically WANTING a human king at the top of the hierarchy in place of God that is the problem.

You can't just read Judges and ignore everything else. If you have a way to explain the points I made from the new testament, I am willing to consider it.

The Beave 8mo ago

Why can't I point to the Nation God chose for Himself as an example and blessing to all other nations?

It isn't just Judges or Samuel or Kings. The whole of the Bible is one contiguous story of God attempting to redeem His creation.

David in the lion's den. The three brothers in the furnace. Heck, even the wild Samson. Jesus Himself.

All of those examples and more are all men and women who defied human authorities to do what is right in the eyes of God.

Show me the authority here on earth that is doing good. There is none. Therefore, I will do my best to follow Jesus as my king, even if I'm a blind, stumbling bafoon.

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Scott ••• 8mo ago

Let the people do what’s right in their own eyes. It always worked out pretty well before. Ohhhh wait a sec.

†𝙈𝙖𝙧𝙞𝙖 8mo ago

Literally!!!!!!

Daniel Wigton 8mo ago

I would argue that the Catholic Church is doing good. But I will also concede scandals that obscure it and hell will fill up with those that perpetuate them. I think it is possible that you cannot see the good that Christ is doing in his Church because you hate it. You see only the evil you want to see.

†𝙈𝙖𝙧𝙞𝙖 8mo ago

I would argue that claiming God was against king David being king is some of the worst exegesis I’ve ever come across. Protestants don’t even teach that, that’s just Beave 😭

Daniel Wigton 8mo ago

Sorry, the point I was trying to make wasn't that God is against kings, but rather the REASON the Israelites wanted a king was a rejection of God.

Daniel Wigton 8mo ago

Also. I agree that I am a good source for bad exergesis. I am not really sure what that word means. But when no one else stands up to defend the faith, I will.

†𝙈𝙖𝙧𝙞𝙖 8mo ago

You have misread me.

Daniel Wigton 8mo ago

Ah ok. My apologies.

†𝙈𝙖𝙧𝙞𝙖 8mo ago

Your name isn’t Beave.

The Beave 8mo ago

Yes. That is exactly my point. The desire for some human authority other than God. How does that NOT SOUND EXACTLY LIKE A POPE OR PATRIARCH?

Popery is such a horrifically illogical stance. Ugh. I love you, Dan, but please at least see the logical inconsistency of this position!