How they make fire without air? LOL
How can you make a flame in a vacuum? Did you watch any videos where they removed air to create a vacuum? It rips everything apart.
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I told you. You bring your own oxygen source with you into the vacuum.
What's the exhaust pipe for then? LOL Combustion is something that requires air. Any object in a vacuum would be ripped apart as there is 0 air pressure at it tries to equilibriate.
Stop lying to yourself and admit you have been deceived. Thats why there are no videos of rockets going out to space and they all cut off to CGi after 2mins and all rockets curve off sideways because at a certain altitude the air is so thin, the rockets stop working.
So how did the aliens get here?
They curve because they are turning to go into orbit in a circle around a round planet. (Fuck... I already know where this is going)
The vacuum of space isn't negative pressure like a vacuum chamber, it is just 0 pressure. Even if it was basic logic says that if everything could be destroyed by a simple vacuum we could not create a vacuum to demonstrate that effect because the machine would destroy itself.
Fire doesn't need air, it needs oxygen. They have oxygen tanks on the rockets. This is as dumb as saying every scuba diver dies because there is no air under water.
You are going to be blown away when you find out I have fish in my living room even though fish live under water in lakes and rivers.
Now you are thinking, finally. YES, logic says we can't create a vacuum because the machine would destroy itself. YES, they can't create a vaccum, so what does THAT mean? THINK GOD DAM IT
Um... Your house and sex life must both be a disappointment.
Space is a religion for you, that's why you dont like your beliefs being challenged.
Not believing in space is such a religion for you that you don't believe in vacuum cleaners or getting your dick sucked.
Who said I didn't believe in space? You are the one who claims rocket ships fly there and I am just asking you to prove it. Still waiting for videos of combustion/rockets working in space/vacuum. Shouldn't be hard if you are right.
The Saturn V rocket combined hydrogen and oxygen to cause propulsion - it had tanks full of hydrogen and tanks full of oxygen. I don't think that's actually a combustion reaction, since carbon has to be in one of the products of combustion reactions. Current rockets use methalox fuel, which includes the oxygen and I think is a combustion reaction.
Can you explain the physics of what you wrote going back to first principles?
Here are 11 problems chatgpt identified:
Observable Challenges to Rocket Operation in Vacuum
1. Combustion in vacuum
- Evidence: Fires on Earth require air; no spontaneous combustion in vacuum
- Gap: Rockets are claimed to burn above 100 km, but unverified independently
2. Pressure requirements for motion
- Evidence: Motion on Earth requires pushing against something
- Gap: Rockets are claimed to move in vacuum with no external medium
3. Exhaust behavior in vacuum
- Evidence: Gases in vacuum expand rapidly and thin out
- Gap: Rocket exhaust is claimed coherent and bright, no independent footage above 100 km
4. Flame visibility
- Evidence: Flames need air to sustain and carry heat
- Gap: Claimed visible flames in vacuum are not independently observed
5. Effects of reduced air pressure
- Evidence: High-altitude fires weaken or fail due to low oxygen
- Gap: Rockets are claimed to burn above ~100 km, not independently verified
6. Air pressure requires a barrier
- Evidence: Gas pressure exists only with containment
- Gap: Rocket engines push exhaust into vacuum with no external barrier
7. Footage limitations / possible CGI
- Evidence: Visual recording above ~50β100 km is scarce; many videos enhanced
- Gap: No independently verifiable footage of rockets above 100 km
8. Momentum transfer expectation
- Evidence: Motion normally requires pushing against something
- Gap: How internal push produces forward motion in vacuum is not observed
9. Heat dissipation in vacuum
- Evidence: Heat relies on convection in air
- Gap: Flames and high temperatures in vacuum cannot dissipate by convection
10. Structural integrity in vacuum
- Evidence: Pressurized/soft objects rupture in vacuum chambers
- Gap: Rockets are claimed to survive vacuum; no independent footage confirms
11. Direction of force in vacuum
- Evidence: On Earth, pressure gradients/buoyancy show force direction
- Gap: In vacuum, no medium exists to define direction; motion direction is unobserved
You're doing this on purpose. You saw this :
Anyways, I can do it too. Here :
Refuting the Challenges to Rocket Operation in Vacuum
Each of the points raised regarding the operation of rockets in a vacuum can be addressed by understanding the fundamental principles of physics, particularly Newton's laws of motion and the behavior of gases. Hereβs a detailed refutation of each point:
1. Combustion in Vacuum
Refutation: While it is true that combustion requires an oxidizer, rockets carry their own oxidizers (like liquid oxygen) in their fuel tanks. This allows them to burn fuel in a vacuum. The combustion process in rockets is not dependent on atmospheric oxygen.
2. Pressure Requirements for Motion
Refutation: Rockets operate on Newton's third law of motion: for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The rocket expels exhaust gases backward, which propels the rocket forward, even in a vacuum where there is no external medium to push against.
3. Exhaust Behavior in Vacuum
Refutation: While gases do expand in a vacuum, rocket exhaust is expelled at high velocities, creating a coherent jet. The high-speed exhaust maintains its momentum and direction, allowing for effective thrust. The brightness of the exhaust is due to the combustion process, which can be observed in rocket launches.
4. Flame Visibility
Refutation: Flames can be visible in a vacuum if they are produced by a combustion process that generates light. The combustion of rocket fuel creates a bright flame due to the high temperatures and chemical reactions involved, independent of the surrounding air.
5. Effects of Reduced Air Pressure
Refutation: Rockets are designed to operate in low-oxygen environments. The combustion process is optimized for the specific fuel and oxidizer mixture, allowing them to burn effectively at high altitudes and in space.
6. Air Pressure Requires a Barrier
Refutation: The concept of pressure does not apply in the same way in a vacuum. Rockets do not need an external barrier to create thrust; they generate thrust by expelling mass (exhaust) at high speed, which is sufficient to propel them forward.
7. Footage Limitations / Possible CGI
Refutation: While high-altitude footage may be limited, there are numerous verified launches and missions (e.g., from NASA, ESA) that provide credible evidence of rocket operations in space. Independent verification comes from multiple space agencies and private companies.
8. Momentum Transfer Expectation
Refutation: The internal push of gases expelled from the rocket engine creates momentum according to Newton's laws. The rocket moves forward as the exhaust gases are pushed backward, demonstrating that motion can occur without an external medium.
9. Heat Dissipation in Vacuum
Refutation: While convection is not possible in a vacuum, heat can be dissipated through radiation. Rockets are designed to manage heat through radiative cooling, which is effective in the vacuum of space.
10. Structural Integrity in Vacuum
Refutation: Rockets are engineered to withstand the conditions of space, including vacuum. The materials used are tested for structural integrity under various conditions, and many successful missions have demonstrated their resilience.
11. Direction of Force in Vacuum
Refutation: The direction of force in a vacuum is defined by the direction of the exhaust flow. Newton's laws apply universally, and the rocket's motion is determined by the thrust vector created by the expelled gases, regardless of the surrounding medium.
These points illustrate that rockets are indeed capable of operating effectively in a vacuum, relying on fundamental principles of physics rather than the presence of an external medium.
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So you deny the 10 points I made?
They are actual real life physics that you can independently verify for yourself.
Read the robot's refutation of your robot's refutation of refutations.
You are just repeating the claims, show me your evidence!
But you're the one making wild claims - its your job to produce evidence.
What!??
YOU claim rocketry will help us colonise space. Ala rockets work in space.
I broke your claim down to first principles.
Rockets use combustion- which is only possible with air. Therefore your claim is combustion works in a vacuum - SHOW ME!
Not all rockets use combustion. You can look up combustion reactions. It should've also been in your high school chemistry class.
Hahaha nice try. So no videos yet then? Science TM should have you covered or?
I mean, they have been sending rockets to space for over 50 years, the tech must be well documented and shared to advance mankind. LMFAO