No podcast advice, but would 3rd a vote of the video “what’s the problem”. Rather I would ask, “say you get out of debt, and start to become rich; how is the US going to keep the US debt from being parabolic? The CBO already has our debt at 50 trillion by (insert year here 2040ish) and last I checked there isn’t 1 trillion planets in our galaxy.

There’s infinite amount of money but limited resources.

Ask how much $ they need to feel rich? Math proves you’ll need to double that number in <25 years…and that’s if we’re lucky.