Before going any further, since you said it's not working on noStrudel either, I’d suggest checking your setup. noStrudel should definitely be showing notes from your relay if everything was setup correctly on your end.
Here's what I see when I navigate to:
https://nostrudel.ninja/#/r/ws%3A%2F%2Flocalhost:4869 and click on Notes on my mobile:
Haven should also be able to import notes from other relays (which you haven’t confirmed as working yet), regardless of the client. So this could be a misconfiguration in Haven, Docker, your VPN, your network, as well as the clients trying to connect to the relay from outside your network. There are a lot of moving parts here, and it’s tough to pin down the issue without checking each one individually from within your network.
Since you’re doing something a bit non-standard, I think you’ll need to take a more technical approach and really dig into it. Unfortunately, it’s very hard to troubleshoot these kinds of issues without logs or direct access to your setup. Would the nostriche who helped you set up Haven’s container be willing to jump on a call with you? They could check your settings, confirm whether Haven can import notes, whether noStrudel can write to it, and whether it displays notes when you connect directly to the relay’s Outbox URL (as well as notes you’re tagged in via the Inbox URL).
Once you've confirmed all of that is working, then I would start looking at other clients that may potentially introduce their own issues i.e., by proxying requests through a backend as I wrote in another note)
Yes something is definitely not configured correctly. Per your screenshot when I look at my relay, Notes tab in noStrudel there is nothing.
I’ll have to look into importing notes, not sure how to do it.
nostr:npub1qdsjkr46urkg6vqrr3zqhgy8l7dazc5k9hlm5jmwqg0vft7hzgtqamgfw3 helped me get the docker image going in Portainer, though he hasn’t used Portainer himself, so I definitely have an oddball set up with a lot of layers. I’ll keep digging.
Regarding logs, there isn’t anything in Portainer since the connection isn’t made. I think one needs the paid version to get network traffic logs.
In noStrudel just says connection timed out.
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It should for sure. Unlike Citrine, Haven splits things, your own notes are sent to Outbox (root) and notes that you are tagged in are written to /inbox (I've posted a link to my own relay on GitHub, but mine is exposed to the internet unlike Citrine). I would say that step zero is to check if you can post a pone to your relay at all, e.g., use nak (https://github.com/fiatjaf/nak) or some other local client to post a note your relay. Then check if you can query it back and that the note shows up on noStrudel.
Ok local client makes sense, I’ll see what I can do. Also that file structure, makes me wonder about permissions on that.
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I installed noStrudel on Umbrel, and when connected to it (via Tailscale) it indeed sends notes to my Haven relay. I can see entries in the Portainer log, and the notes in noStrudel relay window (like your screenshot above).
So, clients outside of my Tailnet I guess can’t reach the relay…like the note isn’t sent directly from my device (on the Tailnet) to the relay, routes somewhere else?
Well, at least this solves the problem! 🤣 Seriously now, hosting your own Nostr client isn't a bad idea. I honestly don't know the specifics of how noStrudel writes events to relays (this is a good question for nostr:nprofile1qqszv6q4uryjzr06xfxxew34wwc5hmjfmfpqn229d72gfegsdn2q3fgpzfmhxue69uhkummnw3e82efwvdhk6tcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszythwden5te0dehhxarj9emkjmn99urf278z). Assuming it's just opening a WebSocket directly from the browser, it should work fine. If it's doing anything more complex (i.e. some sort of backend, proxy, etc.), then the nostrudel.ninja/ version won't have access to your relay, while your local client will as it's on the same network. I know for sure that nostrudel.ninja can read from local relays, as shown in my screenshot above. I had a strong impression that the hosted version would also be able to write to local relays, but given your observation, I might be wrong.
In my mind, all clients should send data directly from device to relays without anything in between, but hey, I’m not a dev. And not convinced perhaps there isn’t some setting in Portainer blocking the connection. Yeah it is kinda cool though to use my own hosted client and relay in my (relatively) secure Tailnet. However noStrudel is not my preferred day to day client (that and Snort, which I may try, are the only prepackaged ones on Umbrel).
Yeah, in theory, Nostr is simple enough. But once you're running a client, there are plenty of valid reasons to have a backend handling WebSocket connections, proxying, caching resources, and so on.
I'm not bad-mouthing Umbrel by any means, but you might as well deploy all of this somewhere else so you don't have to worry about your BTC / lightning stuff. Docker (or better yet, Podman), Portainer (if you really need it), and open source VPNs will run pretty much anywhere. Find one of your old PCs or laptops, rent a cheap VPS, or buy some low-cost hardware, whatever works for you. Install your favourite Linux distro and off to the races you go.
I don't use Snort, but its repo has a pretty straightforward Dockerfile, so you're likely just a couple of doocker or podman commands away from running Snort locally anyway.
https://git.v0l.io/Kieran/snort
Yeah Umbrel is not very flexible or customizable, but it's simple, plug and play (I appreciate simplicity more and more the older I get). Portainer is by far the most complex thing I've done on Umbrel. My Linux days were long ago and I'm revisiting them (other than Umbrel I'm running Linux on an old iMac) but I don't want something that needs constant maintenance and troubleshooting. Umbrel has been running solid for me with little to do keeping it going. I do appreciate all your help, this has been educational for me, thank you.
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This is interesting. Umbrel has their own pre-packaged relay in their store. In the description:
"Step 1. Connect your Nostr client (e.g., Damus, Amethyst) to your private relay for seamless backup of all Nostr activity. In Damus, add your Relay URL via Menu > Relays.
Tip: Install Tailscale on your Umbrel and your devices for an uninterrupted connection between your clients and your relay, even when you're away from your home network. Enable Tailscale's MagicDNS and use ws://umbrel:4848 as your Relay URL."
This makes me think at least Damus and Amethyst should work, if not others. Which also makes me think perhaps an issue with Portainter, not Tailscale.
Confirmed I can connect to my instance of Haven with Damus over Tailscale.
Short of using someone else's front end, can this be done directly?
"You can upload images and videos to this relay and get a link to share them."
I can't seem to figure out how to connect to the blossom directory of find links.
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