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A high-temperature wet sauna operating at 200°F+ is extremely rare, as wet saunas (e.g., steam rooms) typically maintain temperatures between 90–120°F with near 100% humidity to produce steam. If a sauna is both wet (high humidity) and consistently reaches 200°F+, it would still not be entirely free from mold risk, though the risk is reduced compared to standard wet saunas. Here’s why:

- **Impact of High Temperature on Mold**:

- Temperatures above 200°F can kill many mold spores and inhibit growth on exposed surfaces during active heating. Dry heat at this level can reduce microbial loads, including fungi, as shown in studies on sterilization (e.g., 200°F for 30–60 minutes can deactivate many spores).

- However, some mold spores (e.g., *Aspergillus* or *Stachybotrys*) are heat-resistant and can survive brief exposures or remain dormant, reactivating when moisture and lower temperatures return.

- **Challenges with High Humidity**:

- A wet sauna at 200°F+ would still have high humidity to generate steam, creating a paradox. High humidity (even at elevated temperatures) promotes moisture accumulation on surfaces, in cracks, or in hidden areas like ventilation ducts or under benches. These areas may not consistently reach 200°F, allowing mold to persist.

- During cool-down periods after sauna use, temperatures drop rapidly, and lingering moisture creates ideal conditions for mold growth, negating some of the sterilizing effect of the high heat.

- **Practical Limitations**:

- **Surface and Material Issues**: Porous materials (e.g., wood) or poorly sealed grout can trap moisture, fostering mold even in high-temperature environments. Hidden areas may not reach sterilizing temperatures.

- **Ventilation**: Inadequate airflow can trap humid air, increasing mold risk. Even with high heat, ventilation is critical to remove moisture.

- **Maintenance**: Without regular cleaning and drying, mold can establish itself in areas where moisture persists, especially if the sauna is used intermittently.

- **Comparison to Dry Saunas**:

- Dry saunas at 200°F+ (e.g., Finnish saunas) have lower mold risk due to minimal humidity, but even they require maintenance to stay mold-free. A wet sauna at 200°F+ would face greater challenges due to the constant presence of moisture, making it less effective at preventing mold than a dry sauna.

- **Evidence**:

- While specific studies on 200°F+ wet saunas are scarce (due to their rarity), research on humid environments (e.g., *Indoor Air*, 2019) shows that high humidity consistently correlates with mold growth, even in warmer settings. Anecdotal reports from sauna maintenance professionals also highlight mold in poorly maintained steam rooms, regardless of temperature spikes.

**Conclusion**:

A wet sauna operating at 200°F+ is not entirely free from mold risk. The high temperature may reduce mold growth on exposed surfaces during active heating, but the persistent humidity, cool-down periods, and potential for moisture buildup in hidden areas still pose risks. To minimize mold:

- Use mold-resistant materials (e.g., non-porous tiles, sealed cedar).

- Ensure excellent ventilation to remove humid air.

- Clean and dry surfaces regularly, focusing on corners and drains.

- Inspect for mold signs (musty odor, discoloration) frequently.

If such a sauna exists, rigorous maintenance is essential to approach a low-risk state, but complete elimination of mold risk is unlikely due to the inherent moisture.

It looks like Grok is mixing up steam rooms with Finnish saunas. If you leave your sauna wet all the time at low temperatures (90 to 120 degrees is an incredibly low temperature for any real sauna) then yes you may have problems. But with a real Finnish sauna (not the steam rooms Grok keeps talking about) alternating between wet and dry sessions definitely does kill germs, bacteria, and mold.

That's why, for example, Finns would give birth in saunas because they were such a sterile environment.

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I think we agree there. Finnish saunas are elite and anyone with one is going to take good care of it. 🤝

> Finns would give birth in saunas because they were such a sterile environment.

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