"Users are leaving, and new users are not joining because we post about Bitcoin." I hate this argument.

Then why are users who are interested in Bitcoin leaving? You posting about Bitcoin is not the problem.

I think we already know the problem, and that problem is very well understood in the traditional social media space.

I think, The biggest problem when users join today is content discovery. It's way more complicated on nostr.

For new users, turning an empty home feed and spammy global feed into a decent, relatable feed without proper search feature is way more difficult. I have seen no new user doing it right in the first few days. Most of the users just give up. I have seen it again and again.

I know you are going to hate me for this, but the best reliable solution we have is to create a topic-based algorithmic feed. We have this feature already on Nostr, but it's not properly implemented.

Even as a regular nostr user I don't know how to discover content and people with specific interest. I think topic based feed will solve majority of problems including user discovery and make nostr much more fun. πŸ€™

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I like your nuanced elaboration, is algorithmic feed something a client will want to offer soon or do you think clients will postpone creating it? Or do you think clients will be forced to implement algorithms?

It could be something like this, but ideally, there should be an option to select multiple algorithms. We even have topic-specific relays. We just need a proper and simple integration.

I think it's a good idea because there's a diversity of preference and diversity in options will address that. Minimalist clients are easy to make and will always be available, or any form can be formed anyway. I'm looking forward to seeing ever more diversity among clients.

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Well said.

Could it b all the porn?

I ideally you should be able to do it by just switching to "porn" algorithms.

Client-side algorithms are coming, look at Primal. It’s coming and that’s OK, because the underlying protocol is non-opinionated about this and allows for innovation at the margins so anyone can do whatever.

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agree

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I think the problem is bit bigger than that. To create a custom feed for a certain topic, that topic should exist at first.

Try searching for several topics in nostr.band for example, you will see that there are no notes talking about them!

We need more users talking about their passions (apart from bitcoin) what they wanna see here, etc..

Art, meme accounts, food, cats, travel, dogs, gaming,…

These are all topics that can federate a lot of people around them.

At some point, we had users from all these interests, but they left because nobody discovered them. Once we create an ecosystem with "topic based" discovery for them, we will see a lot of them joining again.

Topic based theme will even solve "bitcoin talk" criticism.

we can always try, right. That’s what nostr is about, experimenting and figuring out what works best

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I am not a bitcoin person. I’m definitely still learning and while

Nostr is a bit over my head a lot of the time and techy I still really enjoy it. It definitely helped that I joined with a bunch of community I already was a part of from telegram, found #grownostr, and then others I could relate to. I have enjoyed learning more about bitcoin, making sales using lightning all on my own in here and decided to really try it knowing that if for some reason nostr didn’t work out, I still have the knowledge I gained from being here.

I'm with you all the way Iefan stop it from turning into #sextr can you believe this crap girls who dont even look of age with no a flicket on them I certainly don't wanna see that iefan buddy you do all to help fix the rot inside this app we call #nostr cause it's hear first month in here was heaven. It's all be down hill.

I think the problem we are seeing is that in decentralized apps there is no one curating content and it's everyones individual responsibility to curate it. At the moment this is very hard to do with switching apps, going from smartphone to browser to browser app and so on. There is too much friction right now and it lacks in user experience. If we want more people joining nostr it has to get way easier, if we want them to stay we need unique tools. It's always a trade of

agree with you that Bitcoin talk is not the problem. Topics are nothing but grouping of people with an interest. As long as there are multiple ways to discover then it is good. You got any ideas?

Nostr will happen in waves. No need to panic.

πŸ’―, we just have to keep building and improving.

Ooohhhhh the topic algo!!

Thanks thanks

Now I can blame on argentinian gov without sharing with everyone πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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