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veganism is literally a cult mind control psyop to get people to buy the goddamn poisoned GMO plant material, if you didn't realise that then i'm telling you, the whole thing is cooked up to sell grain to feed to us that will make us sick.

note that the seventh day adventist church pioneered this, based on a ridiculous interpretation of the book of daniel. but the reality was that the co-founder of the church was none other than the kellogs corn flakes guy. and he also promoted circumcision and that also became routine all across the USA in the last 80 years for no reason and the DNA of these poor boys flesh is used in all kinds of medical products now, which is utterly disgusting. cannibalism if you ask me.

if someone tells you it's more "moral" to eat food that makes you weak and stupid, they are trying to enslave you. the end.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

All worth considering, and good to know. And my health is my main ethical concern, so it won. I wasn't a Christian when I tried veganism, and hadn't given the bible any real critical thought yet, so that played no part in my reasoning.

Have you seen how livestock are actually raised? Not the nice farm pictures, with the happy cows and happy grass - that is small and inconsequential, and so is mostly an unrealistic idea. The reality is horrible - crowded and unsanitary animal factories. Their whole lives are suffering. Its not just suffering at death... Find video of it, it's appalling.

I do think eating meat is generally healthier than eating plants, and that's my primary concern. Look at how rich people eat, or how medieval knights ate - they eat/ate meat, and let the slaves eat the plants. I see myself as a warrior, not a slave, so I deserve the meat. On the other hand, would I stop and do something to help an animal that's suffering, if I found one randomly suffering? Yes. So extend that... I don't want to eat animals whose whole lives were suffering. But like I said, I'm in the US, and I'm not rich, so my first concern is my health, which means veganism is not an option.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 5mo ago

yes, industrial feedlot farming and they also on top of that feed them almost exclusively on GMO grains.

it's not even only just about how unnatural and unpleasant it is for the animals, not eating grass changes their meat in ways that makes it less good for you, or even allergenic. i can't eat the eggs produced on this island because they are mostly fed on GMO corn and it gives me a severe allergic reaction after a few days of 4 eggs a day.

the thing is, this style of farming is NOT any more efficient. it just funnels money to the big agricultural biotech companies. feed your sheep and cattle on grass and they are cut out of the deal.

none of it is necessary, regenerative herding is better for the land as well as producing a better product and less unnatural and cruel to the animals.

one of the most insulting things about the whole vegan meme is the idea that all farmers are cruel psychopaths. no, actually, they are not, but the big scale ones kinda are, and they are really just captured serfs serving the big agra oligarchy, and those are the customers, not us, we are parrt of the product. as in, making us sick is part of the plan.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

100%, all of it.

And I think big ag makes a strong case against "democracy." The corruption is so obvious... And we're not able to stop it. Democracy is mostly a psyop. We've traded occasionally psychopathic kings for eternally psychopathic oligarchs. There's no 'good' state - only degrees of bad. I think we traded bad for worse.