I at the same time get excited when I see someone using hodl invoices, for the experimentation, but also sad, because of how bad hodl invoices are for lightning 😅

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Once Nostr matures a little, the Nostr devs may need to help the lightning devs for a bit. Seems like lightning is a bottleneck for lots of cool stuff.

Hard problems to solve for sure, but with devs and momentum of real world use cases that Nostr can bring to life, I can see it working.

Bad why? It's only bad if they get stuck

yeah, tying liquidity across the entire route; by their very definition they are htlcs you don't want to immediately settle; short duration hodls are not problematic, but multi-hour/day ones... 😕