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peter todd identified two types of scaling solutions. they are payment channel based and UTXO sharing. you already figured out what's wrong with the payment channel approach. it's never going to materialize into something that the end user will do without a custodian, unless they are a masochist.

the UTXO sharing solutions are things like drivechains, rollups, or ark. it's not possible to finish them without consensus changes. even on ethereum where every consensus requirement is already met, they are still not totally finished with creating their rollups. but what has been done today is already very popular. it feels exactly the same as using L1.
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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 10mo ago

lol, running LN nodes is not that hard and i can Uncle Jim it for my friends and family, the complexity is much less than L2 solutions

drivechains have all the same problems as L1, that's not the problem they are trying to solve, as far as i can tell all they seem to be is a substitute for big blocks

rollups are just a primitive version of state channels anyway, they need some kind of game theoretic construct to stop participants from doing malicious things in a group setting

i have talked about such simple things as making state channels three way to improve rebalance, and the problem of nodes force closing each other is about the note implementation flexibility because really at least among friends there should not be force closes, they are punitive for a reason, and are there for the low trust scenario to make it unpleasant to try and cheat, and give the victim plenty of time to react

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 10mo ago

yeah, rollups put trust on who opens up the rollup also, so it's still the same shit as state channels except supposedly "anyone" can use the tokens in the parachain or whatever stupid name you give it

smart contracts are bullshit... humans should not be and will not be cut out of the authorization process no matter what these kurzweil sucking lollipops think