I don't really like debates over semantics, but how is being forced with the threat of violence to pay out to the state for some common good not socialist.
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What? Who said anything about no socialism. Saying that they are also “capitalist” to varying degrees does not make them less “socialist”.
Both are buzzwords. Ideas discussed and never truly implemented. Ideas used to corrupt. Corrupted by their own camp, corrupted by the opposite camp. Meaningless words these days