Your reply is incorrect. My above statements were correct.

Needing to pay miner fees for custody means it's not self custody.

Bitcoin's ability to be held without fees is a vital part of what makes it self-custodial.

You're projecting on me about your own need to rationalize doubling down on something you're ignoring (though perhaps not exactly ignorant about)

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Kanzan defending lightning?! Well, just when I thought I'd seen it all

nowhere are you "paying a miner for custody"

You hold the keys, just like you do with mainchain.

you pay to move it to a new address, just like you do with mainchain.

your attempts to make it more complicated are ridiculous.

Projection again there. You're the one making the thread more complicated, not me.

I already asked how you are supposed to do this, and you keep hinting at answers instead of answering.

I've asked how anyone self-custodies lightning. You haven't answered.

You've implied the key would be handling channel closures without fees, or avoiding channel closures without fees, or pretending fees don't matter. I've asked how handling channel closures or avoiding channel closures can be ensured without fees, but you haven't answered, and you've continued hinting that the answer is to pretend fees don't matter.

This isn't me making the conversation more complicated. The conversation could have been simple if you answered my questions, or admitted when you don't have answers for them.