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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I really don’t believe in the user bearing the ultimate responsibility for themselves. Not in today’s world.

I’m willing to bet 90% of you did not read the TOS of the last service you signed up for. Of course, there are some that read everything, but most probably don’t.

In the normie world that number is closer to 99.99%.

Being 100% responsible for your own actions would mean you’d have to read all the TOS and decide for yourself whether you should continue.

But we know nobody does this.

There are certain things we cannot verify for ourselves and where LAWS actually make sense. We live in a society that is held entirely by laws, not by good will or whatever imaginary thing people believe. Without laws we would not be here. We would not have a court system (no matter how dysfunctional), no enforcement of property rights without violence. Society would be hellish. Tribal warfare.

To say Worldcoin should be left up to “free markets” is total bullshit. Yes, I agree, it would be NICE if people did the right thing for themselves. But we’d be lying to ourselves if we didn’t acknowledge that NOBODY read their TOS when they scanned their eyeballs. And even if they did, they would probably not understand the implications of this action.

Hence, we turn to laws. We already have consumer protection laws that actually work and do protect us from certain things. Lead in the water, horrific death from negligence. Fire retardants, safety codes, seatbelts, all the things we take advantage of without actively thinking about took some terrible events to make into law. Look up how and why seat belts become law in US if you don’t believe me.

Besides, even if every one of us were perfectly capable of making a fully autonomous decision, there will always be groups of people who aren’t - elderly, young, disabled, divergent, whatever the proper terms are today…

Worldcoin is taking advantage of the developing world first for a reason. The lure of money is tempting when its tough getting by as it is.

Besides, your free markets aren’t all that free anyway. When the system upon which “Free markets” are based on is itself corrupted, the market isn’t really free. Just look at the Robinhood fiasco. So much for free markets there.

We could argue about the last points for hours, because people will say, yeah but you had a choice! Well, yes and no.

Point being - “free markets” are not an excuse to ignore the realities of the world and the necessary constraints society puts in place for all of us to function. Let’s not delude ourselves into thinking free markets are the answer to everything. They are not.

Just say you prefer a centrally planned economy over a free market economy.

There is no shame in having an opinion.

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Never said anything about centrally planned. Did you read my note?

“Hence, we turn to laws”

Sounds like something every tyrant from history would say.

Use any justification necessary to censor something you disagree with.

I disagree with many things in the modern world. But making them illegal doesn’t fix the problem.

It creates black markets. It creates distrust and fear.

Free markets give the best outcome for everyone but comes with personal responsibility.

Free speech comes with responsibility.

Freedom to bear arms comes with responsibility.

Etc

although i agree with all types of freedom, you likely enjoy laws you dont realize

laws to make the bedrock of civilization

if theft/murder wasnt punished by law, good luck getting a society rolling...

same for scamming, which i think worldcoin fits into

how could such "projects" be ruled, thats the $1M question

There is a reason the western world is founded on Christianity teachings.

The 10 commandments come from God not man. Thy shall not kill. Thy shall not steal. Thy shall not lie. Etc.

Because these a hood laws to follow to keep the peace. You don’t need a government to enforce these rules. You just need teach your kids Christian values.

These are *good laws.

Wanna be bad do we?

i am all for religious morals, but without real world punishment it wont work

i was raised catholic, sunday school from 6yo to 18yo

it just thought me something i understood along the way

treats other like you want to be treated, dont step on other people

do you think all christians obide by that? i know they dont, the worst people i know personally are very religious

im not anymore, if there is a god, i will meet him with my head held high knowing i did well by others

i dont pray, dont go to church or spread the word, i just do the best by the people i meet

We all have failed to uphold the commandments. I agree whoever has committed a sin such as murder and rape deserve to be disciplined for their crime.

But you don’t need a state enforce it. A community can get together and choose the punishment.

ohh, so people could use biblical punishments?

like, "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

it will be a stoning fest, without a single stone thrown

sarcasm asside, public opinion is too easy to manipulate

the west in general is in decline because family values and decency were traded for obsenity and greed

TV manipulation and lowering education standards dont help either

rough times ahead and it doesnt look like decent values will be reinstated anytime soon, reason i moved out of the city to a rural place

You are right. 1 sin plus 1 sin doesn’t make a right.

This is why I don’t think statism is right either.

Central planned decision making makes sense for local communities with shared values.

But nationally for this multi-cultural world we now live where everyone has different vision of they wish the world to be. It caused certain groups to be silenced over others.

Local free market places like the hood old days is the way to do it imo.

local rules set by locals is definitely better than goverment rulled by a bunch that never left their little cocoon other than in election years

politicians dont have people's best interest at heart