The real tragedy of this war is the Ukrainian people. Who are being destroyed by two superpowers fighting for economic control of a region using a propaganda war, and destroying a generation of Ukrainians. All for who gets to have the world reserve currency.

Its the most disgusting thing ive ever seen.

Now... I hate to say this, because I really like you, but you are also bloviating in complete assurance of your facts, which you are sure are more right than anyone elses. I wonder, would you listen to those whose personal experience contrasted with the "facts" youre so certain of? What it if challenged the identity youve created for yourself defending the "cause of the Ukrainians" when it lacks all historical context, or actual understanding of that region? Would you ignore those who were murdered for 8 years by psychopathic Ukrainian nazis? Or just deny it ever happened like a holocaust denier?

If that is to much to handle, take a look at the RAND report describing how the U.S. could start a civil war in the Ukraine, and draw Russia into conflict.

Your own government is the most psychopathic of all.

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Interesting. My Ukrainian friends inform me of their opinions, which I tend to adopt, as I am not actually in comprehensive knowledge of the situation. I will consider your points, and discuss with my Ukrainian friends. Perhaps I am one of the bloviators. Granny always said, “If you’re pointing a finger at anyone else, you’d best remember that you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself.”

That’s a really nice, and grounding, grandma image…Thanks for that