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Yes, China is winning in energy as China is the leader in coal.

Why coal? It’s a cheap, tested, reliable technology.

Let’s not conflate subsidies, and central planner diktat for coal shutdown in the US.

ynniv 5mo ago

Ah, I was confused by some narrow graphs. You're right, it's lots of fossil sources in China.

The problem I see is that fossil fuels are going to turn this rock into Venus, and this plays into the hands of those who will fix it, either by quid pro quo, or by selectively fixing it and letting the places that don't pay up wither and die.

You can have water, or you can make CO2, but the only way you're going to do both is by making the rich far richer. Energy independence today, maybe, but serfdom tomorrow.

The only way to truly be dependent is to make new, non fossil, distributed energy sources

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elsat 5mo ago

> venus

No. Earth ocean have been 18 degrees warmer. During this time biodensity reached a peak.

Remember, colder weather is 10x times more dangerous for humans than hot weather.

> you can have water, or you can have co2

?? I dont understand. We can have both.

Fossil fuels are requires for modern civilization. Not using fossil fuels today leads to mass human casualties.

ynniv 5mo ago

The planet will absolutely still exist if temperatures rise 18º. But both terrestrial farming an aquaculture will collapse, and humans would only be able to survive in the polar regions.

Doesn't seem ok to me.

> ?? I dont understand. We can have both.

Heat dries the land and disrupts precipitation. CO2 increases heat. Therefore, continuing to drive up CO2 will reduce the availability of non-seawater.

I want independence, but I'm also an engineer who recognizes that nothing comes for free. The only way out of this problem is by converting atoms into smaller atoms and a lot of energy