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Hui analyzed two very fundamental concepts constituting the back bone of modern systems theory and cybernetics, Recursivity and Contingency, the second one can be imagined as a thing in potentia which hasn’t been actualized yet, however it can be something positive or negative, the point is that technical systems by quantifying contingency, which is deemed immanent in every system, manage to turn negative potentials, which are being actualized through a recursive non linear movement, into positives one. Let me give you a small example of this functioning.

Now Baudrillard in “The consumer Society” describes how tangibly negative events like an increase in alcohol/drug/porn &c consumption are turned into positive ones by putting them in an excel sheet documenting an increase in commodity purchases, so that in the end they are brought into the circulatory economic system and contribute e.g to the GDP.

This circularity economy is at the same time a system of homeostasis like all cybernetics systems and a system of hedonistic excess. You may ask, balance and excess how does that go together? Well they build in certain mechanisms to force homeostasis just think about boom-bust cycles yeah.

Big question is how to bring down such systems without being turned into a positive contributing factor oneself, a collapse is, according to Hui only guaranteed when the borders of negentropy (order) are crossed, so that the recursive movement comes to an halt. The concretization of this vague notion of a negentropic breakdown, is a question that needs urgent answering, if we want to preserve a future for humanity.

PS. Maybe instead of a tearing down of such systems, an incorporation, via cosmotechnical means, could offer another route, cybernetics with an Islamicate touch. But we are not a people of awareness any longer, how often do we contemplate about Mizan(Balance) and the ayat Allah swt. has placed in nature. Shameful to say the least.

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Agree with the urgency for Islamic cybernetics. Example: an open-source AR glasses is needed in the next 18 months or we'll be stuck with the dominate products of the tech giants. 3D printing could be an easier entry point though as all this will see bulk resistance and/or sway toward consumer tech.

Aside from system tear-down is the accelerated negentropic boarder. It has momentum in its favor. Perhaps we push?

Definitely, but as you may have noticed, 99% of people, which by now I think is hardly an exaggerated number, are more interested in comfort than the benefits FOS(S) products would bring them. We can see it right in front our eyes, how millions of Muslims, populate the next WeChat, whose Lahabite founder is constantly stirring up hatred against Muslims, and is a known stooge for Z!0’s. That said competent brothers, for example in the tech sphere, should still push for it, developing new ideas and implementing them, utilizing all resources of the milieu they are situated in, regardless if the overall milieu is indifferent or even hostile to the vision.

As for societal dynamics and conditions, they can, to some degree, be manipulated, not in a Machiavellian way ofc, but that requires a very long term game plan.