Can’t stop thinking of relays past few days - are there mathematic modelling for the logic case and connectivity ? I get numbers better. Also was thinking spams are always filtered at front end and not from source - ie if eventually there are relays catered for porn would that minimise global broadcast of 🍆 , when there are specific interest on politics would that remove gov’t funded cyberwarriors and further limited by shared blocklist and for all who try to spam free money, would block list prevent it? This might be naive thoughts right now.

On a separate note, relays at the moment focus on accessibility & spams. Iris blocks anyone that you have no contact with or no responses to but still provides accessibility. Paid relays limit by 2nd and 3rd tiers globally and past week I can’t see a lot of good posts that used to be from new followers I followed, and this might slow down user adoption, but, might be too early to determine a pattern right now? It’s been on my mind constantly

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I can't quite follow everything, but interesting lines of thought.

Yikes sorry, should have worded it better

Im not entirely sure what you’re getting at. I understand people better than mathematical numbers.

Are you suggesting that if there were xxx specific relays that so long as you weren’t connected to one you’d minimise the likelihood of coming across random porn? (And the same with political affiliation relays etc etc).

Perhaps I’m missing the mark you’re outlining entirely, but I’m interested in understanding your position.

I really should have worded that better, I’m sorry -

re mathematical modelling - this on relay connectivity ie how private, safe and spam relays work from a user and x no. of users perspective - in terms of broadcasting, re broadcasting. I get the gist, but I can’t fully envision the big picture with all possibilities included such as 2nd / 3rd tier restriction / gossip / Iris models and the outcome of each

re spam (I could be completely wrong on this) - current practice out there is keyword filters, manual filter, image filters.

What if this was looked at differently from the spam motive perspective, for instance

- porn related

- Gov’t’s cyberwarrior attacks

- Money and trades

From a porn angle, if there are private porn relays, users who enjoy porn might be more compelled to interact with porn related spam (what’s spam to one might not be spam to another) - would that then narrow down global broadcast/rebroadcast via engagements ? Somewhat like when Satoshi talked abt reducing spams by Incentivising zombie farms to generate bitcoins instead. What if it’s just about benefiting those who want to view porn ?

From gov’t cyberwarrior perspective - for example opposition parties or gov’t who attack on each other’s users - and hence if there were more politics related relays - would that shift the focus from global to specific users of the relays. And then from there the problems can be further narrowed down via shared blocklist/ users muting ?

From money scammer’s perspective - this most often is quite obvious and hence would shared blocklist help ? I think it requires keyword filtration as well?

The challenge with shared blocklist could be that what’s spam to one might not be to another so this may need a second filter layer I’d reckon.

All this might be completely naive thoughts,

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I do think there should be porn relays, but we can't have these unless clients start to give users the option to treat relays differently, browse relays, allow users to pick and group and switch between relays, and expose a nice UX for users to publish different things to different relays.

The Nostros, Nozzle and Monstr clients have started playing with these things, I hope they get somewhere.

Coming in time… old man here working slowly.