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Well, supply chains sound immense, but economies of scale reduce these to very little which I’m sure is factored in the APP.

While driving over to the neighbouring farm to swap goods in your #Ford #F150 may burn half a gallon of #gas.

Every gallon of fuel used makes ≈ 3 x its weight in CO₂

3.140 kgCO₂ / litre Gas / Petrol

3.310 kgCO₂ / litre #Diesel

Then there is getting the fuel to the vehicle (well to tank) this adds 30% . So now your Litre of gas is 4.082 kg

Like the Buffalo, grass fed is great because it’s a natural part of the carbon cycle. It doesn’t require fossil input unlike intense grain fed.

I get the whole American truck thing & it’s great you actually use it to full potential (instead of city folk grocery shopping), but I’m guessing the app has said about 5 tonnes CO₂ just for your vehicle alone ?

I would suggest an #electric #van preferably combined with #solar as an alternative. This would drop 5 tonnes CO₂ to <1 Tonne.

https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/best/electric-vans/

Keith 2y ago

I have three rebuttals and two comments.

1. I understand economy of scale. However, since the app didn’t ask any questions about lifestyle or product use it probably treats all people the same or, most likely, ignores lifestyle as a factor. Which, IMHO, is one of the most important factors.

2. “Every gallon of fuel used makes ≈ 3 x its weight in CO₂ “ This is impossible. The output of a thing cannot be greater than the sum of its inputs. That’s not how math, physics or the universe works. Just think about it for a moment. Or did I misunderstand?

3. Current EV’s do not have the power/range/capacity to fulfill my needs. Additionally, they are just to heavy. An electric F150 Lightning weighs 35% more than the gas powered model. Making it impractical for off-road use.

Finally, have you ever seen a lithium mine? Talk about raping the earth! We are just trading one form of pollution for another. The pictures included are from a lithium mine in California. I’m not advocating for gas powered vehicles. I actually think Hydrogen is the future. But that cuts the mining industry (wether it’s oil or lithium) out of the picture, so it was never developed. After all, money talks louder than the environment.

Remember, we are not just trying to reduce our carbon emissions, but all pollution is bad. We all need clean air to breathe and clean water to drink. I hope my statements and facts educated you and that you think about the whole production cycle when making purchasing decisions. A “one size fits all” approach to pollution and climate change can not solve the problem. But rather educating individuals and leading them to a better lifestyle is our best hope.

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7Bluerabbits 2y ago

First I showed you mine, now you show me yours (carbon footprint as independently judged by the @earthhero app)

1 “lifestyle” & “opinion” are not scientific terms. You are not green simply because you live in the country.

2 CO2 - Carbon + Oxygen + Oxygen is roughly 3 times heavier than just Carbon. Basic physics.

3 Hydrogen 🥴 Horribly inefficient. This is just the oil industry trying to stay relevant. Hydrogen derived from Methane (steam reformation) is more fossil fuel with even more inefficiency. The waste CO2 with be pumped into old oil wells to access more oil, and will then probably just leak out again because let’s face the oil industry has a terrible record of plugging methane leaking from wells.

Mining for #eletricvehicles has much less environmental destruction than oil and you only gotta mine it once.

The old cowboys managed with no vehicle, I’m sure they’d be overjoyed with an #F150Lightning. Range 255 - 320 miles , will tow anything and you can run your house off of it.

Keith 2y ago

I’m sorry if I hurt you by demonstrating the errors in what you have been taught. The app is fundamentally flawed by not taking into account consumables and waste streams. You seem very proud of your calculated carbon footprint according to your app and I’m sure it’s a huge blow to learn that you produce more pollution by breakfast than someone that drives a big gas burning truck does in a lifetime.

It’s not an opinion that plants take in CO2 and expel oxygen. The chart you displayed showing how different meats affect the environment apply only to destructive farming practices. How does your app remove carbon from my calculated total for using regenerative practices?

https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/20902500/DavidHuggins/CarbonSequestrationinNativePrairie.pdf

7Bluerabbits 2y ago

Put up or shut up

Keith 2y ago

I’m not ignoring you. I’m studying. I’m learning that you are right about a couple things and that I’m right about a couple things. I knew this debate would spark my interest which would lead to research. Thanks.