Subnostr

Help me with some thoughts I'm having. I saw a video of a blue haired youth making statements about their identity. The content of their beliefs are neither here or there for me but the delivery, the foot stamping conviction, the we are victims of an oppressive system and those not with us are our enemy were what stood out. The comments were a chorus of rallying round. Then I started to think that we see that too amongst bitcoiners, gold bugs, economists and then, frankly, a whole range of other groups. Narratives are taken as fact. Now I have no problem with having conviction about ones own beliefs but is it the technical/digital aspect of communication on social media that has spawned this sound bite style radical interaction? I have lived with a socialist/communist society my whole life and I've only ever seen that type of sloganeering and state sanctioning of that psychology in people in that context so I'm also thinking about whether this resent/spite is also being encouraged by certain groups. The "FengQiao JingYan" is worth considering as an example of the supposed logic of mobilising the masses to maintain order against the "enemies". There were always state trusted leaders assigned to sway the groups and in turn groups would be totally willing to rally round those influencers with those emotions encouraged by narratives to fuel the fire. Keeping your head down, and as my father in law used to say "Just smile, nod and try to move along", becomes almost the focus of daily life, at risk of being accused and being on the receiving end of the anger of the mob. Given that in the west it is not only socialist influenced groups who exhibit this stance, I find it unsettling to see. The social mob, especially in the Anglosphere, seems to show so much of this when someone gets called out for a "transgression" and it's that mob that pushes for the transgressor to lose a job or be de-platformed etc, and not necessarily the government/state that implements that punishment.

I'm also willing to consider that as a Gen X I think too much.

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mrclownworld 2y ago

Interesting question. I think the powerful elites at the very top in the anglosophere (think Skull & Bones, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers) study Hegel and thus are adamant about dividing the mob into two opposing forces that are both *wrong*. This prevents the mob from recognizing their true enemy (the elites who farm them like tax cattle) and uniting against them.

I would not say most bitcoiners are like your blue haired example, because Bitcoiners typically reject the Hegelian dialectic and have chosen to opt-out through early adoption of a radical technology. This is much more practical approach to changing circumstances than demanding social change.

Yes, bitcoiners may call for “Ending the Fed” but in the end, we’ll end it with a superior technology, not by winning hearts and minds to the perceived morality of our cause.

In other words, the morality of the cause is incidental. It is the superiority of the technology that is inevitable.

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SovereigntyQuest 2y ago

Yes, that's, I guess, my question. Have we all fallen for a trap laid by those powers or is there something about digital communication that inherently encourages that pathology. Now it could be argued that digital communication has been coopted by those powers from very early on but, if it weren't the case, would we still see the tendency in our increasingly digital influenced lives, within and between groups, to try to out radicalise each other's stances and then have the chorus of rabble cheer it on?

mrclownworld 2y ago

I think it’s just how fourth turnings work. The populace gets this insanely divided once in a lifetime. People don’t notice the pattern because you don’t live through the cycle twice

SovereigntyQuest 2y ago

BTW....couldn't agree more about the superiority of the technology. Now to clean up those pesky mining poolers!🫡