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To what degree? How many people believe January 6th was an “insurrection”? I consider trump entertainment and I’m not American, but that is clear as day nonsense, which most people I speak to seem to believe. Most people also believe climate change is a real problem, CO2 is a threat, and vaccines are safe and effective. Wouldn’t you agree?

What you get is the impression that it’s a minority, and I believe it’s a manufactured impression. FE is larger than you think. Go look up polls and stats, it’s growing and ranges from 10% to 35% of people depending where you look. It’s just most don’t mention it in polite company for fear of ridicule.

In the same way when I tell people vaccines are untested for safety, they have the same visceral reaction, yet they will never go look it up for themselves. It really is how I ended up here.

Instead of guessing why people would lie or trying to figure out how these things work at scale (indoctrination, repetitive propaganda from a young age, keeping people addicted to their TVs and trusting the so called experts, along with compartmentalised systems and largely bought off politicians world wide which made things like a global lockdown possible), its a lot easier to make sense of consistency in claims of observable science and things they claim “we know”.

If you ever find answers to any of those 6 questions alone, let me know. People will suggest “it doesn’t matter”, but if Im supposed to believe such insane claims, the only way is with good evidence, which I don’t believe they have. Instead we have fringe, twist ourselves in a knots experiments to prove imaginary forces with incredibly inconsistent and broken theories and logical issues that most people have never taken the time to consider, so it short circuits their brains.

mark tyler 2y ago

"Most people" My neighbor's beliefs, and he has no first hand knowledge about the climate but has beliefs about it, rightly do not update my Bayesian math very much.

It's not surprising to me that x % believe anything. Truth is difficult to ascertain. So I 100% agree that most people see indoctrinated. Nearly everyone is working from someone else's first hand data. Most people just believe what other people believe. Some people just believe the opposite of what everyone believes.

I'm still curious if Snowden is a violation of your world view or expected as he is in mine.

And haha this is lame I know and I’m sorry idk what my problem is but my perception has been that when I opened those links they were not giving a list of questions. But maybe it was the continuing long period of time after the timestamp? Haha I'm falling.

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Sovereign Being 2y ago

I thought I addressed Snowden. The people in power do create and manipulate the narrative which most subscribe to for a short period of time... but in the end, the truth cannot be controlled by them and it always comes out.

Indeed, it is difficult to find and reconcile, once again why people are so vicious at defending the things they believe to be true, while simultaneously spending no time attempting to educate themselves on their beliefs.

The questions are posed at the beginning of the video:

mark tyler 2y ago

Thank you for finding them for me!!

RE SNOWDEN: Oh ok I think I get how you were thinking about him. Here’s what I was thinking about him. Going way back, we should expect that once a certain x number of people “orbit” earth, and as launch rates increased and prices decrease access will be steadily less restricted, eventually someone will come back and say “they drugged me” or “i took my helmet off and suddenly without the helmet lens artifacts I could see that it was not a globe” or you know something like that.

That’s what I meant by comparing to Snowden.

And we don’t even need to wait for enough people to “orbit”. Plenty of scientists have access to the answers to these questions. And even more are running experiments where if taught physics is a lie, outcomes will be very strange. I do agree the truth must come out. I would just argue that it already has come out. I would argue that we shouldn’t be surprised if we see in perpetuity a smaller faction that doesn’t agree. Humans are so deterministic that we should expect 100% consensus on anything imo.

I guess the difficulty is knowing whether it’s a minority that will always exist forever at more or less stable population fraction levels because the minority is wrong and some people believe them anyway because the truth is difficult to get at and people’s truth seeking methods have a non-zero false conclusion rate OR whether it’s the other possibility, it is a minority now but they will be a majority someday because they are actually correct.

RE QUESTIONS:

Again, thank you for finding them. My apologies for my ineptitude. My view of those questions is that none are as useful for this question as they sound at first. All are explainable using traditionally accepted knowledge and abandoning that calls to mind the points above.

An interesting thread for our discussion might be: how much should the streamer’s beliefs about the status of those particular questions influence our conclusion. That thread could get really deep.

Finally, check this minute or so out for me. Im curious what you think about how she thinks about scientific truth claims.

0:52-1:23

https://youtu.be/KlhW12dGfFk