True socialists are only focused on dividing the pie as equally as possible, regardless of the level of efforts of everyone contributing to the pie.

True capitalists are only focused on growing the pie and making sure that everyone's share of the pie increases at the same rate as they contribute to growing the pie.

Now, you tell me which one is better.

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one true scotsman fallacy and nobody will agree because of this

Explain further please 😄

meaning that the "true" definition of "capitalism" and "socialism" are such a myriad that even among "free market" people you will get disagreements about points of definition of each term

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

yeah, it's aka "appeal to purity" and the problem is that for reasons you definitely will understand, the definitions of both of these terms have been confused and muddled for over a century in order to defend the control mechanism

sad but true, and trying to get agreement about any kind of refinement of these things is just simply never going to bear fruit, i've been watching this show for over 20 years and it's not got any better

while i agree with you, it's just not rhetoric that is going to gain any traction either on the edges of our sphere or outside it

I see what you mean. Basically, this is how I view things, based on what I've heard from people who call themselves socialists Vs those who call themselves capitalists.

Of course, there is no perfection, but I think it helps to make a clear distinction of the goals of both sides.