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a company that makes machines for US elections is headquartered in Venezuela?!

wtf?! we can't make voting machines here?

I know right. Totes fishy af.

So you'll hear all kinds of claims, but its true that company was started there and headquartered there for a long time, and its history with the Chavez/maduro regime is very questionable, but the company was moved to London. That doesnt negate any shenanigans they may or may not be involved in, but the actual story is more detailed than what you'll hear randomly in discussions about it. I think its very probable that the company and its machines are used by intelligence agencies to fuck with elections.

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Globe99 5d ago

No evidence offered, no attempt to even refute the sources provided by the bot.... So basically it's a a "religious belief system" 😆

Hanshan 5d ago

I trust Mr M more than I trust the sources that the bot has at its disposal.

and Id suggest you examine WHY you trust those sources yourself.

mister_monster 5d ago

Lol this guy.

You invoke a snopes bot, you label anyone who disagrees with you as a quack, you appeal to external authority, and you think *I'm* the one that can't think for myself.

Note, in this discussion, ive told you nothing about my opinion on this matter. Thats because I don't want this back and forth to be about whether thats true or not. I wanted to determine if you think for yourself.

Thats all I want. I don't actually care what you think about it one way or another, I just wanted to understand your reasoning on it. Your thoughts, musings, why you think what you think... All I got was "qanon substantiated court rulings". So I got the answer I was looking for: you outsource your thinking.

Hanshan 5d ago

The fact that these machines exist *at all* suggest to me that they're used by SOMEBODY to fuck with elections.

Globe99 5d ago

Voting machines themselves are "suggestions" of a conspiracy?

Do soft drink vending machines "suggest" a conspiracy to manipulate the content of Coke cans?

mister_monster 5d ago

Well, think about it. It goes without saying that intelligence services and a multitude of other groups have an interest in the outcome of elections worldwide. And to think they wouldn't do nefarious things to serve their ends is also naive.

All I know about this company is that they formed in Venezuela in 2004 and helped the regime their secure their elections, and then they moved out into the western world. I think its pretty obvious the likely answer to all this.