so you rate a ThinkCentre would be the option?

Will save me the time and extra work too.

I'd like to run my sites on there and get off the shared hosting packages - starting to need more DBs and stuff too and I think it's probably the next investment to make

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yes. I use refurbished Dell and HP's from 2016 era myself

My friend liked his ThinkCentre's

I guess I have to look at proper refurbisher/reseller - what price range is good, for what spec?

Depends , for $200 or less you can get something good, may need to upgrade RAM or buy gpu

If you need a gpu for anything, you need to research if the psu can handle it or upgrade psu too

Have an HP DL380 Gen 9 in my home lab (beefed up) and ended up in about 2 years to shutting it off and running my VMs on 2 small Dell Optiplex 3020 machines.

I would suggest looking into these small factor Dell machines too 🙂

nice, and what are you running spec wise?

How secure are these older machines? are you running proxmox or ubuntu server or what?

It requires a bit of extra resource management of course. One of the advices would be that if you are VMs rather than containers person, look into running Alpine as the OS.

P.S. Proxmox as the VE of course