I get the concept, I just laugh at it as it's meant to create context for dimwits to pick an us vs them camp instead of taking care of their families.
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The English word nation from Middle English c. 1300, nacioun "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language,"
"Common ancestry"
Like a family? Kinda like a family right? It's like family right? So taking care of (defending) your nation IS taking care of your family? Is that what we are lead to believe by the original meaning of this word? Or are we going to be dimwits?
You are talking about soviet/commie notions, free men don't fight and die for gov employees who under threat of death/prison rob them of their private property.
There's nothing noble about going to war or enlisting in your lord's army. It's the worst grift of all, in fact. Whitewashed killing of others, by decree. Talk about being a tool. The only thing a standing army is protecting is the monopolies of those who are not going to fight "for their countrymen."
Real men band together based on mutual interests, not career paths paid for by the central bank with promises of killing others.
"c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups."
How're you even possibly bending the etymology of the word nation that comes from OLD FRENCH into "Soviet/commie notions" ? How're you doing this?
"Real men band together based on mutual interest" like what? Preserving their homeland? Protecting their people? Keeping their culture and way of life in tact? Fighting for their race?
Like those things?
You mean like that? Is that what you mean?
It seems like you're really just trying to do some kinda anti central banking George W. Bush era conspiracy schtick that I'm not even remotely interested in talking about. I'm talking about the meaning of words and how it is respectable to go to war for your people. Your country. Your race. And here you are giving me some Reddit ass garbage.
Yes, the commies required everyone to fight for the "nation." All socialists do, that's the point. Whole of society approach, if you get the reference.
The only way to defend your interests is to defend where your family resides, your closest community. Not the state, not the country. Your local region, which you can walk across on foot.
Everyone abroad pretending to defend a homeland is just a psycho, or a poorfuck being exploited for king and country... I meant Raytheon and Boeing.
I will once again copy and paste part of the original definition of nation for you to read
""birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born,""
Family.
"Defend your family not your country"
Hey. I have bad news bud. In the past. THEY MEANT THE SAME THING. and my original comment in this thread was saying exactly that.
Again. This is just reddit garbage on your part and I really think you might have trouble reading. Commies are kinda known for twisting the meanings of things and using them to their advantage right? But in this case they were using the word nation honestly in your mind? Why because it fits this specific argument of yours? The fuck is this. Read the etymology of the word. It means family. Country is a synonym of nation. Which means family.
You are saying "no not like that cause I know stuff I saw in that zeitgeist move twenty years ago"
"Defending your country and being willing to die for your people should be respected."
DEFENDING YOUR COUNTRY. A SYNONYM
OF NATION. WHICH MEANS FAMILY.
DEFENDING.
DEFENDING.
DEFENDING.
How is this still going on? Do you have a reading problem?