yeah, i just point to the pre 1913 situation and the sub 3% tax rates and say that the whole taxes meme has been concocted to funnel wealth to bankers, and that government has no business doing business outside of setting standards

no army

no welfare

no courts

just an organisation that gathers and publishes the consensus, that's literally all government can do without being harmful, the moment it starts to use that position to do violence against people's rights (and property, which is part of people's rights) you are on a downward spiral to revolution and neighbours killing neighbours