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How to reply to a PoS shitcoiner:

PoS has been around for thousands of years, it's nothing new. Government money is proof of stake, as are company shares.

Egyptians, Romans, and Chinese were using this 2000+ years ago. Italian city states perfected it 800 years ago. Stake based systems are not new.

Using stake to solve the Byzantine General's Problem is also not new. Cypherpunks have been working on this shit since the late 80s.

The cypherpunks on the mailing list (that Satoshi sent the white paper to for peer review) are literally the people who created the *entire body cryptographic of work* used by proof of stake coins today (stake based byzantine fault tolerance). They are well aware of the fundamental limitations of stake based BFT because they are ones who came up with it in the first place...

If Bitcoin was proof of stake *you would never have heared of it* because it wouldn't have survived 5 minutes of peer review by any real cryptographers.

Time-based difficulty-adjusted PoW *is* the breakthrough and is the *only* reason you and anyone has ever heard of a "blockchain".

The failure modes of stake based BFT are well known, and it fails *every time* for a number of reasons, but if you are betting on a shitcoin to increase in value then the failure mode will probably involve the fact that stakeholders have an incentive to increase the supply to benefit from the cantillion effect.

Mathematical fact: you cannot deploy external capital to defend a system that is secured by internal history (stake). This is why stake based BFT does *not* secure against attack by a state or central bank, which means *anything* secured by PoS MUST comply with governments.

Bitcoin's value proposition is that Bitcoin let's you do things that bankers and governments *don't want you to do*. If bankers and governmensts can nuke your shitcoin, then you do what they say or they nuke it.

What's the value proposition beyond CBDCs if your shitcoin ultimately has to comply with governments and bankers?

You cannot out-stake a bad actor who has aquired sufficient stake to fuck with the system, your only option is to fork them out. Then it becomes a competition between charismatic personalities convincing the market to follow their authority (their fork) instead of the other guy.

So how do you solve the problem of removing a bad actor without requiring some form of authority? Read the Bitcoin white paper. Satoshi knew exactly how stake based systems fail, that's *exactly* why he used proof of work instead.

如何回复 PoS 垃圾币的信仰者:

权益证明(PoS) 已经存在了数千年,并不是什么新鲜事。 政府持有资金是权益证明,公司股票也是权益证明。

埃及人、罗马人和中国人在 2000 多年前就已经使用了这种方法。 意大利城邦在 800 年前就完善了它。 基于权益的系统并不新鲜。

使用权益来解决拜占庭将军问题也不是什么新鲜事。 自 80 年代末以来,密码朋克们就一直在研究这个问题。

邮件列表中的密码朋克们(那些中本聪将白皮书发送给同行评审)实际上是创建了当今权益证明货币(基于权益的拜占庭容错)所使用的“工作整体加密”的人。 他们很清楚基于权益的拜占庭容错机制的根本局限性,因为他们是首先提出它的人......

如果比特币是权益证明,*你将永远不会听说过它*,因为它无法通过任何真正的密码学家 5 分钟的同行评审。

基于时间的难度调整的工作量证明 *是*一项突破,也是您和任何人听说过“区块链”的“唯一”原因。

基于权益的拜占庭容错的失败模式是众所周知的,并且它“每次”都会因为多种原因而失败,但如果你押注于垃圾币以增加价值,那么失败模式可能会涉及一个事实,利益相关者有增加供应的动力,以受益于坎蒂尔效应。

数学事实:您无法部署外部资本来保卫由内部历史(权益)保护的系统。 这就是为什么基于权益的拜占庭容错机制“不能”抵御国家或中央银行的攻击,这意味着由 权益证明保证的“任何东西”都必须遵守政府的规定。

比特币的价值主张是,比特币可以让你做银行家和政府*不希望你做的事情*。 如果银行家和政府可以摧毁你的垃圾币,那么你就必须按照他们说的去做,否则他们就会摧毁它。

如果你的垃圾币最终必须遵守政府和银行家的规定,那么 CBDC 之外的价值主张是什么?

你无法胜过一个已经获得足够权益,来破坏系统的不良行为者,你唯一的选择就是建立自己的分叉。 然后,这就变成了有魅力的人物之间的竞争,说服市场遵循他们的权威(他们的分叉)而不是其他人的权威(其他人的分叉)。

那么,如何在不需要某种形式的权限的情况下解决移除不良行为者的问题呢? 阅读比特币白皮书。 中本聪确切地知道基于权益的系统是如何失败的,这就是他为什么他使用工作量证明的*精确*原因。

1.拜占庭将军问题

讨论的是在少数节点有可能作恶(消息可能被伪造)的场景下,如何达成共识问题。2.拜占庭容错讨论的是容忍拜占庭错误的共识算法。3.坎蒂尔效应

简单来讲,坎蒂尔效应指的是增发大量新货币并将其注入一个经济体,结果是,排在队伍最前面的最先拿到钱的人变得更富有,而排在队伍最后拿到钱的人则进一步贫穷。

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