gap between different philosophies and religions is family. Family is a picture of what is good. You know, you want to raise your kids to love you, to love what you love, to be their own person as well. And then they become tax collectors.

Yeah. Be free. Be free. Just do whatever your heart says. All my heart says to me, make some money. So, yeah. But I've been talking about this with a friend of mine, and I might even bring him on the podcast, which would be, I feel like, an abuse of my powers.

Because no one knows who he is. But we were talking about virtue. And what even is virtue? And also, how do you sell that to a libertarian? Libertarians are like, the highest virtue is to leave me alone. But virtue is not a negative thing. Virtue is a positive good.

And virtue often costs you pain. And so, like, in a utilitarian world, why would you ever cultivate virtue if you don't believe in soul, right? So do you believe in the soul? Is there a soul to be saved? I don't know. I don't know, but I don't think you need to believe in that to believe in virtue.

I think the virtue is like... something... something... Yeah, I don't know. I'm not prepared to talk about these things specifically in English.

Ah, yes. But I think it's something that comes from your... Maybe a set of actions that fit better your human nature, regardless of you aiming to save your soul or not. There's a thing that is better for you to do and you somehow...

You can know that even without asking anyone. But maybe sometimes asking people or reading about it can help you discover that. But I think it's part of the human nature. Yeah. So what would you say is the source of purpose and the nature of human nature?

What are we meant to do? What is the fulfillment of our highest good as people? Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know. I think I have a void in my ideas. There is like, what happens? I don't know what happens. Because we all die.

Maybe it's just a big waste of time to do these things when we're alive. But still, I'm trying to do some things that I don't know if they will matter when I die. So I did this lack of something in my view of the world. Something is missing.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, in order to have purpose, you need permanence, and nothing's permanent. Yeah, but don't try to convince me through Christianism now. I won't. All right, well, that's a good place to leave it. Thank you, Fiat Jeff, for coming on. I appreciate it. I really enjoy