I am one of those old school (2011) Bitcoin maxis who dabbled in and eschewed alts by about 2015. But the only one I saw was something that had significant use outside Bitcoin was and still is Monero. I have committed commits in the repo and was the "donation system" back in 2014-15.

In the early days, the Monero users actually sort of embraced the fact they were s***coiners like all the rest. Even though we did, for sure, see something about Moneeo that was special. But we never thought that it took the spotlight away from bitcoin. That was the big innovation. Manero is taking some risky trade off chances that may actually have been worth it.

It was sometime after the block size debate and bcash days that the Monero Community started to turn into the bcash community. Started having sour grapes about how Bitcoin had missed the point and it was all about "number go up". Basically all the bcash arguments.

And honestly, I think Monero had a better ground on which to make those arguments then Bitcoin Cash ever even did.

Monero is still useful. And until Bitcoin can do privacy the way Monero does it will always be. But I wouldn't put it past Bitcoin to inherit much of monero's skills. Most likely on other layers.

Anyway, all of that is to say mostly that trying to shame bitcoiners from the Monero perch is a waste of time in my opinion.