This would be cool as a sincere idea, but it sucks as much as any other centralized algorithm in the hands of a deceptive person
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it's not a centralized algorithm. it's entirely in the hands of the user
As an algorithm, the user could be a coder and code anything with that algorithm
But so far, talk of decentralized algorithms on nostr always turns out to be deceptive
You could be using the word "algorithm" to imply a piece of software operating with resources not every user has
every user with a computer can run this algorithm: https://github.com/captain-stacks/jumble/tree/algo
Same deal as before -
If that's true, that's good.
If you're lying about it or any of the other stuff, that's still bad.
the difficulty with this is that most people consume through their phones. the most obvious solution I see is to normalize self hosting, so your social algo can run on your self hosted server
That would take a groundbreaking design. There's just nothing I know of that really works with self hosting for all users except BitTorrent.
Nostr protocol isn't designed for too much p2p networking.
With the right protocol design, the network would come
this is different because you're self hosting only for yourself. it's not P2P, it's just a heavy client that needs a solid place to run, then the phone can act as a thin client
Then how would you see posts other than your own?
the self hosted client connects to public relays
Which would need to be more of a P2P network in order to actually work, see?
it's still a client/server model. my client runs on my home server, and it connects to public servers (relays)
Right, so it's not gonna magically spread without working
BitTorrent "popularizes self hosting" because people can self host it and have it work
Nostr is a client server model, trying to "popularize self hosting" is trying to upgrade everyone's position to a deep state agent with safe and stable online hosting available
or replace the internet with infrastructure that's reliable for people without deep state affiliation
either way it will never achieve what BitTorrent achieves when it doesn't work and BitTorrent does
I think we're just dealing with fundamental limits of physics and information systems. if you don't have a stable connection, you always outsource trust to someone who does
Nope
I don't trust any single BitTorrent tracker or any single BitTorrent search engine when I use BitTorrent, plus we have DHT search nowadays
The fundamental issue is:
What you say "popularize self hosting" you mean "everyone should commit to dying for industrialism so we can have a better iPhone, fuck people who try to survive when the government offers stuff like a stable home server in exchange for killing all known life including yourself"
When I say "popularize self hosting" I mean "someone who can code should code something that does what bittorrent does for more stuff than bittorrent does it for"
now I think we're just talking past each other
I'm addressing what you've said as directly as I can.
If your idea relies on "popularizing self hosting" but it also relies on a client-server model, it doesn't seem sincere.
I don't have the energy to properly respond to your objections. for now, I will keep on building and plan to release a prototype within a week
You discussed this enough to absorb my points, even if we still disagree. Thank you.
now, to bring up another disagreement. what in the world is wrong with having a mute list? follows and mutes, two basic inputs for a feed algorithm. why not avail thyself of both?
i ENJOY telling the world who is a dick. why would anyone not like that?
people are free to interpret a public mute list however they want. I don't necessary put people on there because they are a dick, but to achieve the ideal curation of my feed
indeed, but assuredly many of them are dicks
i'm already an outcast, i have nothing to lose.
this is the thing, too many people online are simping for fans. i don't want fans. i want friends.
my mute list is more than twice the size of my follow list. just sayin'
i don't even know what my lists are because i haven't used anything but jumble for a while. let me check nostrudel...
ok, lol. ross ulbricrht follows me.
fuckin legend. the dude changed my world, i became a bitcoiner because of ross.
real or fake Ross?
he's only following himself and Jack
well, that is gay.
i consider such people to be simps. oh my god how could you be so mean? yeah, because this guy is a jerk.
really, how is it not pussy behaviour to not say it when someone acts in ways that are unseemly. hello? do you want honest reviews or do you want to suffer under the tyranny of simps. fuck simps. you are a cuck if you can't stand up and say "uh, no"
That would make sense to do with tags
Trying to do it with mutes just reveals you yourself are a dick, or simply mentally ill
If you can't handle reality, permanently muting people is a way to shield yourself from whatever they can teach you.
If you can handle reality, permanently muting people is just crippling yourself and causing harm.
Your ideal self shouldn't be scared of hearing anyone's words.
This posted before I was done with it - touch screen maybe glitching
I'll leave it as is though
also I still see some posts from muted users. Jumble is good about how it handles that
Then what is muting?
If it's soft enough to be a fair way to treat your fellow humans, I don't think "muting" is the right word for it. Rate limiting or deprioritizing or something might be more fair