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Right! Same with monero, except higher amounts because it's not custodial like ecash.

But yes, since it bleeds constantly (as with everything else) against Bitcoin, it's best to hold a proportionally small amount for spending.

Would you not find it disingenuous to call ecash a shitcoin because it's ruggable and can even be fractionally reserved? Those are fair points, but that does not a shitcoin make.

Like every other thing, it has tradeoffs.

Now imagine calling the most recognized private and anonymous (cash-like) layer1 on the planet just because it's not bitcoin.. can you see how uneducated and vulgar that sounds?

And to top it off, you're not the usual run of the mill dumb maxi, you understand programming and cryptography.

Anyone who looks objectively and can understand how Monero works, knows that it is a marvel of engineering.

Beyond the tech aspect, you can also think that its very existence is doing everyone a favour, since without privacy and anonymity bitcoin is just another surveillance tool in a long repertoire of surveillance tools.

Fuck man, you get this, which is why you're developing what you're developing.

Monero stands at the front right now, shielding everyone else. It's already been delisted from most CEX. Bitcoin not only hasn't, it's been embraced by the system.

Why do you think that is?

Nothing against it being embraced by the system per se btw, I am happy with that and my bags get heavier, but let's not pretend it's only been embaced because it's as transparent as a Socialist's lack of understanding of economics.

So, you see. I don't get the fanaticism. Monero is a tool, if you think you should be able to make transactions without leaving behind an eternal transparent breadcrumb trail - and presumably you do, as an ecash dev - then any and every tool that helps normalize that, you ought to stand behind, on moral grounds.

But you don't, or your maxi friends will kick you out. Like so many others, you seem to be trapped in the groupthink.

No offense man, I appreciate the work you do. But Christ, it's ridiculous, they don't even need to divide us, we do it to ourselves.

incorrect. ecash improves custodial solutions for Bitcoin, it's not a speculative shitcoin.

Also not reading all that.

I'm happy for u tho.

Or sorry it happened.

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And Monero improves non-custodial privacy solutions for onchain L1, so in that sense and using your "logic" it's as much of a speculative shitcoin as Bitcoin is.

(contrast with my logic, where neither is a shitcoin, there are tradeoffs to each solution, and there is no silver bullet.. do you know this thing called nuance?)

Ecash is indeed a speculative shitcoin if you want to be narrow-minded, you're speculating that the mint operator won't rug you. Your precious ecash note might be worth roughly $BTCUSD_NOW or zero.

Surely you also realize that ecash has nothing to do with bitcoin. It just happened to be ressurected in a bitcoin context. But you can have ecash IOUs for anything else too, and in fact if the idea ever takes off, it's an inevitability that it will be used for everything else too.

Anyway, keep seeing the world in black and white, I don't really care. I do care that bystanders and passer-bys read something that makes them think, and that's already happened.

You, on the other hand, don't really want to think, evidenced by the note I'm replying to. Whatever is not what you believe is blasphemy, and you've got no time to engage in heresy.

It's a bit sad but hey, you do you.

Can you read or are you obsessed?

You use a custodial wallet in your Lightning address on your nostr profile. Ecash improves custodial solutions. How clearly do you need people to tell you that? Stop gaslighting me with your bullshit.

Not on Garnet.

Can YOU read?

As I told you before, I have nothing against ecash. I think it might have its cases, especially in a federated context as with fedimint.

Single-server AND operated by random strangers is not really "improving custodial solutions" in my book, it's courting disaster, and time will tell if my intuition is correct, but a LOT of unsuspecting people will learn that lesson the hard way.

Your dogma prevents you from even admitting that if privacy and anonymity is the angle, you are surely safer holding and spending Monero than holding and spending ecash from random operator #46927.

Hell, even if it is YOUR own mint. Or does the BTC that back your ecash not sit on a hot wallet on a server that in all likelihood is not secured to the stringest standards?

This you would be able to see if you were honest in your assessment. But for you it's black and white.

I think ecash is interesting tech, I find it interesting that it was ressurected in a bitcoin context (although there is also nothing special about ecash bitcoin IOUs vs anything else), I believe it has its use cases, especially in a federated context, and while I think single-server random-mint use cases are few and often perilous, I am more than happy with people making up their own minds (or learning from their silly mistakes, as the countless threads of "oh no random mint operator rugged me, never saw it coming, help!" demonstrate).

I would never use a non-federated ecash solution myself, but I can see why someone else would.

As for the lightning address here, that's a perfect example of the limitations of lightning. I didn't want to doxx my node which I ran when I set this up, another thing I wouldn't have had to worry about with Monero ;)

the level of patiently determined mental retardation im this is definitely noteworthy. mute worthy even.

You managed to say nothing, just used up some words.

If you have anything to add to the discussion, I am all ears and I will do my best to argue the point so we can get closer to the truth.

Instead, you barge in with ad hominems.

Whatever.

youre a firehose of projection word salad. 🥗

You're still just on the ad hominem. Come on plan9 boy, you can do better 😅😁