well to be honest i don't know how ugly these incels are - maybe they're beyond help. but if you look AVERAGE or better if you don't have women it's on you.

as for short guys i don't speak to them. my father is short and a mentally ill sadist. short guys are very butthurt about being short and i would rather not deal with their issues.

again - short and ugly guys should kill themselves. the rest should stop whining. you can choose to have women or you can choose to be a gooner like me. no point in complaining.